Speak Out Loud NA

Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Think About It...

To everyone who comments on this blog:
I have tried to create an open forum where everybody could speak their mind about city issues and the problems facing New Albany. I allowed anonymous comments because I wanted ALL people to be able to comment without fear of retaliation or retribution. I did so because a big part of the problem with New Albany is a lack of information getting to the people. I think that has become sorely obvious if you've read things on this blog with any regularity. There is a lot of mis-information out there, and misconceptions about the way things are done.
I had really hoped that this forum would become a way for more information to get to the general population from the people who are in a position to know. My reasoning was based on the inescapable fact that the people of this city are disgruntled and disgusted with the way things have become in New Albany.
With more and more people attending city meetings, it's apparent that change is wanted and, more importantly, city leadership is being held accountable. City Council meetings became the place where folks felt they could bring their questions, concerns, and comments to their elected officials and be heard.
However, people were soon told that comments at Council meetings would be limited to 5 minutes, and furthermore, our elected Council members were not the correct avenue to go through with concerns. Rather, the Board of Works was the place to take concerns to. However, the Board of Works meetings are held weekday mornings when most folks are unable to attend. This made people feel that no one really cared to hear their comments, answer their questions, or take their concerns into consideration.
Frustration and anger seemed to be growing at an alarming pace. Not only from members of the public, but between members of the Council as well as between the Council members and the Mayor. City Council meetings became a circus.
With these things in mind, I thought it would be good for people to have a place to "vent" their frustrations and ask questions that could be answered, anonymously, by city officials or other persons who might have the information. But, there has been only short bursts of discourse of such a nature before descending into nonsense that serves no purpose.
I have wrestled with people who have condemned my efforts because I decided to allow anonymous comments, and I have stood my ground in the face of utter disrespect and slanderous criticism, because I believed the people would use this opportunity to their advantage. Indeed, some do. Unfortunately, others do not. Instead they choose to insult, insinuate, and incite anger.
There are a particular few who have made it their personal mission to make a mockery out of this blog that was set up for the benefit of the people. I don't know if they are intimidated, or if they're just full of meanness. I truly don't understand why this one little blog has been so very upsetting to them. My personal opinion is that they are so full of themselves that they just can't stand to allow another blog to operate without revealing identities that would allow them to then pursue personal attacks to discredit people. After all, they have done just that with everyone who has revealed their true identity.
I have made real attempts to rid the blog of folks who only want to throw insults, make attacks, and be downright rude. I have set 1 rule: "Be nice, or be gone", but some persist. I cannot, and should not have to, babysit this blog deleting unnecessary ranting and ugly, slanderous remarks. I assume we are all adults here, and there is really no excuse for behaving childishly.
I am writing this to make a request. I want the people who genuinely want to use this blog for its intended purpose to make an effort to discuss city issues, and simply ignore the nasty remarks that are put here to entice folks into anger. They are coming from simple minded people.
To start this off, I suggest going to www.amlegal.com/new_albany_in/ and take a look at the City Ordinances. Choose one that you think is a particular problem in the city, and tell us how much of a difference you think it would make if that one ordinance was being enforced. Or, tell us about something you think deserves more attention, or suggest a topic that would be good for discussion at a "Town Hall" meeting. Then let's try to organize one.
If this blog is not going to serve its intended purpose, I will make the necessary changes. Although this will surely hurt my confidence in the people of New Albany who I thought were truly concerned, I am not here to be the punching bag for bloggers who don't appreciate the effort, or the fight I have put up to defend this forum.
To those who disparage this blog and find no use for it, please just refrain from visiting here if it upsets you so. Why expend so much time and energy on something you dislike so much? It makes no sense to me.
For the rest of the folks who just read, but don't comment, please consider writing a line or two to let me know what you think.
Thank You.

62 Comments:

  • Too many to list, but here is a personal thorn:
    30.65 CITY DIVIDED INTO SIX DISTRICTS.

    Whay does a city this small need 6 districts. It could be done with half the people.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:58 AM, July 21, 2005  

  • What's keeping the council from providing equal representation? The six districts are the right number. The inequality of population in these districts is unconstitutional and should be addressed immediately. Redistrict now, with equal populations.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:34 AM, July 21, 2005  

  • redistrict now, who represents the voice of the Hispanic and African American communties? No one. So cut the number of representations and have the ones work for the people instead of drawing a paycheck. check out other progressive communinties and you will find that by trimming the fat this has a profound effect on people whom want to make a difference. NA is too waited with local government not pulling its wait.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:52 AM, July 21, 2005  

  • Response to julian javier--------
    The city of New Albany is divided into the 6 Districts to allow the Council
    members to be able to respond to the citizens in their District. If your Councilman is not doing his job, give him a call and offer your opinion and ideas. Get him up off his chair and make him do his job that you are paying for.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:55 AM, July 21, 2005  

  • Thank you, Laura, for directing us to the New Albany Code Book. This could really be productive.

    Great idea!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:56 AM, July 21, 2005  

  • Laura will you keep a tally of what code is chosen the most and publish it for our eyes?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:07 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • Code #72.18 PROHIBITED PARKING AREAS

    (A)(1)(g) Front yard, side yard, rear yard,other than a designated driveway.

    (B) ENFORCEMENT. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHALL ENFORCE THIS SECTION.

    Why isn't the Police Department enforcing this ordinance as stated in the Code Book? We don't have to wait for the Code Enforcement Officer to enforce this law as it says the Police Dept SHALL enforce this law.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:45 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • About Code #72.18------ Why aren't the police tagging and removing all of the
    junk cars in yards and as people try to use their yards as used car lots?

    Way to go, Laura. Great idea on the Law book.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:02 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • Good points. I think we should take a closer look at the population numbers in each district. Why are they so disproportionate?
    I will indeed keep a tally on what ordinances are mentioned the most. I agree that there are several codes that provide for police enforcement.
    I still say the police car that follows the street sweeper at 5mph can be doing a lot more than writing parking tickets. They have a good view of every street in the city and could be enforcing blatant violations and reporting on problem properties.
    Why are they waiting for the citizens to do their job for them by reporting our own neighbors?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:30 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • I would like to see Board Of Works meetings held at least 1 time a month. So working people can attend as well as have there complaints heard.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:44 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • I would like to understand why there are so many accounts connected to the sewers? And I would like someone to explain. If we have spent $40 Million Dollars on the Sewers. How come we have the problems New Albany has?

    By Blogger One voice, at 3:48 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • Board of Works Meeting in the evening. So working people can attend. And why not direct citizens of New Albany to the right BOARDS. Council or Board of Works for Various problems?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:53 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • I think you would get less rancorous posts if you didn't allow anonymous postings!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:05 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • Thank you for erasing my post, I'm sorry but Police have the reputation of being lazy. You Laura are a fellow Sociologist you must agree with my point. The history of officers in this city supercede themselves. The retired officer Russel Dudley, a fellow east ender, would have been a grand enforcement officer. Why not Ms. Higdon the present Meter Maid?
    The right person with law enforcement background should considered for this ardous task.
    This is not meant to bash and should not be taken so.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:36 PM, July 21, 2005  

  • I understand your point now. The first seemed destined to draw some ire.
    I agree that officers should be first in line to get the code enforcement position. They know this city better than anyone, and should be fairly knowledgeable about the codes.
    We'll see how this all turns out. But, I think some enforcement should already be taking place with the resources we have at hand.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:52 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • east ender, My question I would like answered. Is who is going to get paid the commission on this Bond Money for Scribner place? What part will Shane Gibson get? The Bonding Company? Or anyone else who will recieve a piece of this pie? I think this information needs to be given to the people of New Albany. And myself like many others would like to know who's pocket this Commission money is going in!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:35 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • Before I get into my personal opinion on the attacks and comments on the New Albany City Council. I want to say. I do not believe most people were not in Support of Scribner place. Including myself. Which I have stated several times. What is the issue? (And will continue to be the issue) the bottom line is money. First if we thought this City was divided before last nights Vote. Our City is totally divided now. As a "Concern Taxpayer". I am outraged over the "Attacks" on Councilman Dan Coffey, Steve Price, Bill Schmidt, Larry Kochert! In fact I am "Mad As Hell". I Will stand up for what I believe in and have the guts to say it. And I will do what is right. I have not always agreed with Mr. Coffey. And I have discussed many issues with him. But with this issue and his ideas on Scribner Place I totally feel he is listening to the people in his District. Which I also feel that Mr.Schmidt, Mr.Price, Mr. Kochert did listen to the people in their Districts. And I do Respect these 4 Councilman for trying to do what is right. And I feel they seem to know alot more about this City's money problems. Only because the others lack Political Guts! And refused To listen to the Facts. I say to you Mr. Jack Messer I am ashamed of "Your So Called Know It All" Attitude. I say to you President Gayhan, Bev Crump, Jack Messer and the other City Councilman. You "Do Not" base your Decision for New Albany Taxpayers on Saving Face with the money people of New Albany and the Mayor. To Mr. Price: I think it takes courage, and guts to stand up for what you believe in. You do a great job for the people in your district. And for telling the truth to the people of New Albany. Mr. Schmidt: You are the voice of many of the people of New Albany. And you have the experience this Council needs. Many on this Council need to stop and listen and do better research on every issue. The attacks on you and Anna Schmidt have outraged myself and many others. Keep giving the facts and standing up for the Taxpayers and the people of New Albany. As you have told me yourself Mr.Schmidt: I am elected by the People. And I Am paid to do a job for each Taxpayer of New Albany. And make the hard decisions. Your right Mr. Schmidt like you said you do "WORK" for the people of New Albany. Mr. Kochert: You were totally right when you said to me. Everybody ought to pay their fair share. Instead of putting the "Full Burden" on the Taxpayers of New Albany. So now we sit and watch for New Albany downtown to turn into the "Boomtown".(Everyone believes and says) Of new growth and business. And generating new Tax Dollars for "OUR CITY". Like they say: This only happens in the movies. If you build it they will come! Again we have put the horse before the cart. And we will pay dearly for the next several years.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:45 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • concern taxpayer, That truly took guts to write. And after sitting at the last 2 Council Meetings. You said exactly how it is. Thank You for having the guts to write these comments. Just Curious- Who are you?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:22 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • Who ever you are Concern Taxpayer. I agree whole heartedly with your comments. But I will add to the previous comments. It also took courage and guts to write. I am also upset with our City Council.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:47 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • Response to East Ender......

    In your comment article you said that the police officers should have a chance at the Code Enforcement position. That may be true, but,
    rumor has it that Councilman/Policeman
    Messer is wanting that position.

    It should be made clear that a Policeman could not hold 2 CITY PAID positions at the same time. He should resign from the Police Dept if he wants to apply for Code Enforcement position.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:31 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • AS STATED EARLIER IN THE COMMENTS, THE
    POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE ALREADY ASSIGNED
    THE ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILTY TO
    REMOVE JUNK AND ILLEGAL PARKED CARS.

    LOOK AROUND THE CITY. THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB AS THE LAW STATES THEY
    SHOULD. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD ENFORCE ANY OTHER CLEAN-UP
    ORDINANCES.

    WE NEED NEW, CLEAN FRESH BLOOD IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT POSITION.

    LET US WATCH AND SEE WHO THE MAYOR PICKS FOR THIS ONE.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:37 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • Oh so let see if I have this correctly, a Police Officer cannot hold two positions, but the Mayor can hold multiple positions?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:44 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • Why exactly does it take guts to write an opinion anonymously?

    That's not a dig. It's a legitimate question that I think speaks to many of the problems in New Albany.

    Isn't it hypocritical to demand accountability while refusing that responsbility yourself?

    If it's not, can someone please explain why not?

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 10:09 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • ERNIE-- THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE MAYOR BEING PAID FOR 2 POSITIONS
    WHILE 2 COUNCILMEMBERS SERVE ON THE
    SEWER BOARD WITHOUT PAY. STRANGELY SO,
    IT IS THE MAYOR'S STAUNCH SUPPORTERS ON THE COUNCIL WHO WILL NOT VOTE TO ALLOW THOSE 2 COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE PAID TO TAKE THEIR TIME AND SERVE ON THE SEWER BOARD.

    WHAT OTHER BOARDS DOES THE MAYOR SERVE ON?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:37 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • Dear mrs. bluegill:

    I don't know who or where you are, so, that also makes you anonymous.

    People in this town are afraid of
    retalliation and that is why they can
    not give their names.

    I have heard that people are afraid. It is a sad, sick , world we are living in.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:44 AM, July 22, 2005  

  • I'm not anonymous. Click on my username and it you'll see my personal profile- Jeff Gillenwater. That's how this blog works.

    Even though asked repeatedly, not one person has been able to give an example of the retaliation of which they're supposedly so afraid.

    Standing up and saying something isn't brave if you don't accept responsibility for what you say. In fact, it's not standing up at all.

    For concern taxpayer or anybody else to claim "I Will stand up for what I believe in and have the guts to say it." without being willing to be held accountable for their words is just plain ridiculous. His actions betray his claim and stand as proof that he does the exact opposite of what he says he does.

    Do you think the city council should be able to vote on issues anonymously?

    My questions about anonymity, guts, and hypocrisy still stand.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 12:22 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • The money for Scribner Place may come from a huge donation from the James The Cleaner chain of dry cleaning stores.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:44 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • bluegill, glad to have you back on the blog. If we can get RAB and yourself to contribute more often, it will help round the corners some of the SPOLNA bloggers thoughts. The mind is a terrible thing to waste. The posters on here should branch out to other blog sites for other cities across this beautiful country and view how most everyones sites and forums are balanced instead of so much Liberal/Conservative approaches to life and what it has to offer.
    Cheers!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:52 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • news flash : sanitation being privatized effective at 3 PM today

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:22 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • www.amlegal.com/newalbany/in
    CITY COUNCIL
    See Code #30.22 ORDER OF BUSINESS

    (E) COMMUNICATIONS-THE FOLLOWING ORDER
    (1) FROM CITY OFFICIALS
    (a) MAYOR
    (b) CONTROLLER
    (c) CITY ATTORNEY
    (d) CITY ENGINEER
    (2)FROM OFFICIAL COMMISSION
    (3)FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
    INCLUDING PETITIONS AND
    REMONSTRANCES.

    It was interesting to hear Ms. Kersey quote this New Albany City Code Law at the Council meeting on
    Thursday night. She brought to the
    attention of the Council and the Public that the Council is not following the law on the books.

    I was shocked to hear Council President Gahan reply that he and the City Clerk had discussed this matter and they had agreed to keep on using the their plan of ORDER OF BUSINESS which does not follow the law on the books.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:50 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • I guess this Adminstration will find away to keep from paying the 1.2 Million Dollars borrowed for the Sanitation Dept. Now. I heard Shane Gibson's comments. We can just right a Mew Resolution and not have to pay it back! Wish I could pass my own resolution and not have to pay my Sewer Bill,Water Bill or any other bill from this City. How about that Mr. 1 Term Mayor.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:02 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • All the council would have to do is pass an ordinance changing the order of business or vote to temporarily change the order on the night of any given meeting. Both seem like unneccesary technicalities with little real benefit if the council is comfortable with the current order of business.

    Is there a reason that you think a specific order is better than others?

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 4:10 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • we want answers-
    I don't know that we will ever get the full, or real, story on how these funds are being distributed. I don't know that Shane Gibson recieved anything other than his normal pay as Cit Attorney, but I will get whatever is public record on the project.
    Concern taxpayer-
    I hear your frustration, and I know you are defending your right to have an opinion that is different from all those who say this project will be the savior of our downtown district. I, like you, believe we have the cart before the horse. This doesn't mean we are not for making progress, and those who say we have a mindset of "No Progress at any Price", because of our opinions, are absolutely mistaken.
    There is progress that could be made without the Scribner Place project. Why is there only one choice? Why were the people not given an opportunity to voice their opinions?
    It IS a matter of OPINIONS. Those who don't agree don't have to be nasty and degrading to one another, however some have taken this tact, and ultimately assult the councilmen who have different opinions. It is a shame.
    Mr. Schmidt has been a true worker for the people and what is best for our city. The disrespect he is recieving now is more than unfortunate.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:22 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • Laura,

    What's the difference between being harsh on council members you agree with and being harsh on the current administration?

    Why aren't you chiding people for insulting the mayor?

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 5:32 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • bluegill-
    Why is it so important to you to know the names of commenters? What difference does it make if there is a name attached to an opinion unless you are looking to seek that person out?
    Furthermore, there is a huge difference between accountability from elected officials versus "accountability" from a citizen who has an opinion.
    You say you think this is a big problem with New Albany. Do you suggest we all walk around with nametags on?
    Your equation of anonymity equals cowardness is truly infair. You don't know what positions these folks hold in the community that make it better for them to not openly announce their names. After all we have all seen how people who don't agree with the administration are treated. This is an ugly fact of life in this city, but a fact none-the-less.
    Everyone is entitled to express their views, and everyone is entitled to protect themselves.
    Lastly, what do you mean by being people being held "accountable" for thier words? Accountable to who? You? Why?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:42 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • east ender, Thanks Laura! I also have just as much Respect for you as well. You have given people a voice. And your blog allows us to speak on issues that matter to each and everyone of us. The decisions that are made today will affect us long down the road. I know most of The City Council Members but as a Citizen and Taxpayer we don't have to agree. Laura there will be a paper trail on the Bond Money. Keep an eye it. It's going to be a wake up call for all of us. When we see how the pie is divided....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:30 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • Laura,

    I objected to the opinion that an anonymous comment was brave. For someone to claim "guts" for speaking out while refusing to even reveal their indentity is ludicrous. "I've got the guts to stand up to people. That's why I'm hiding." It's saying one thing and doing the exact opposite. It simply makes no sense.

    It's absolutely hypocritical to cry out for accountability from anyone, elected official or not, while refusing that responsibility yourself.

    Identity matters when espousing opinions on city issues because any of these commenters are eligible to run for office or may be in office already. How do I know a city official or their agent doesn't comment on your blog only to spread false rumors about an opponent? Should that opponent seek to redress the false claims, with proof of their falsehood in hand, they would have no recourse. Is that fair? Is that what you mean by being nice? It's what your policy allows and your editorial style encourages.

    The only way to ensure that people are making a legitimate attempt to tell the truth is to hold them accountable for their words. That's why we have laws against the various forms of defamation, fraud and perjury. A person's word should and does mean something.

    When someone posts information to this blog or any other public forum, they have a responsibility not just to me but to the entire community. Societal norms, codes of ethics and legal systems have recognized that, and rightfully so, for centuries.

    The sustenance of free speech in any society depends squarely on that responsibility. It's what allows us to review instances of public speech on a case by case basis rather than having to resort to overly broad, draconian laws that prohibit speech at an unacceptable level.

    Free speech without accountability does not work.

    If you'd like to use your editorial bully pulpit to argue otherwise, go right ahead.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 6:39 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • Laura why do you continue to feel outrage with or threatened by Mr. Gillenwater? He is on your side and is saying some of the same things as you. Give the guy some slack and work together for all of us. Even though the V'Hoosier blog is kissing up to the Mayor, there are some needed answers to all of us. Tainted? Could be.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:19 PM, July 22, 2005  

  • bluegill.. What is your problem? You move here from Jeff. And how ever long you have lived here you seem to think you know so much about the people and the way things really our? Well I am here to tell you. Your big problem like other's is Anonymous Comments. And it seems to me and other's you want to speak for this Adminstration. That is your choice. Get over Anonymous because this is Laura's Blog. Because of Laura's Blog more people are attending Council Meetings. AS well as stating there views and Comments. I work downtown. And I am not about to give my name. Are you and many others so blind to not believe people would not be retaliated against? So your saying well there is laws! So how am I suppose to feed my family when I complain to the EEOC? Don't even think this is not happening. Because it does happen.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:38 AM, July 23, 2005  

  • It is a sad day for New Albany that many Sanitation workers are going to end up loosing there jobs. So who is next? Police? Fire Dept? New Albany has been down this road with Overton. We need a Mayor who can fix problems. Instead of causing problems. There has to be someone in New Albany smart enough to figure out how to solve this City's Problem!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:52 AM, July 23, 2005  

  • Sad day in New Albany that to make progress we have to cut loose hard working employees. Yeah Randy Smith, it is for the betterment of who,the retailers?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:29 AM, July 23, 2005  

  • 1. I didn't move here from Jeff. That's wrong.

    2. I know that people being afraid to stand up for themselves is a problem in New Albany and elsewhere. I contend that making anonymous comments on a blog does not constitute having the guts to do so. The fact that some commenters here think it does is alarming. I asked for an explanantion and, so far, there's been no attempt to explain it.

    3. I don't speak for the Garner administration or any other. I speak as a private citizen who sees great potential in New Albany. So much, in fact, that I gave up my original plan of building a house elsewhere and have spent a large percentage of my time and money to try to help New Albany improve. When the Garner adminstration does something that I feel squanders that potential, I say so. When the admistration does something to act upon it in a positive manner, I support it.

    4. Saying this is Laura's blog does nothing to address the validity of my comments concerning free speech and anonymity.

    5. I made no mention of employment law. Since you claim to be knowledgeable about about past and ongoing retaliation, perhaps you could enlighten us with specific examples.

    6. If by downtown employment you mean that you work for the city, I assume your disgust has led to a job search. How's that going? Surely a brave, outspoken critic such as yourself wouldn't sit idly by and let your labor be used for the ruination of the city. I can empathize with having to keep a job until you find a new one. Let us know when you do.

    By Blogger Jeff Gillenwater, at 1:02 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • The mayor did in fact say he would step down before privatizing sanitation, he said it at a city council meeting because some sanitation workers were there and he wanted to make them think he cared about them, this mayor is a gutless liar.

    Saniation had its financial issues but there is always a way to fix it, maybe the unemployed sanitation workesr can go for a swim at the new downtown Y

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:16 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • Mrs. bluegill---- Where did you move from, when you moved to New Albany?

    How long have you lived in NA?

    At the Bd of Wks meeting at Calmuet Club,you gave 1320 E. Market Street as your residential address. Is that your correct address or were you using someone's address?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:21 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • We are sad and have sympathy for
    the problems the sanitation workers are going through right now.

    SCRIBNER PLACE DOLLARS--
    $400,000. PER YEAR.

    WHY WAS THE MAYOR PUSHING SO HARD TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE $400,000 A YEAR FOR SCRIBNER PLACE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING?

    DID THE MAYOR TELL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HE WAS GOING TO LAY OFF THE SANITATION WORKERS THE NEXT DAY?

    WILL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE
    GUTS AND BACKBONE ENOUGH TO RECIND THAT $400,000 A YEAR TO SCRIBNER, AND USE THAT MONEY TO SUPPORT THE
    MONEY NEEDED TO FUND SANITATION.?

    WILL THOSE SAME COUNCIL MEMBERS STAND UP AND DEMAND THAT THE MAYOR
    MANAGE THE SANITATION IN A BUSINESS
    LIKE WAY? (city cars & cell phones)

    FOR EXAMPLE: WHAT ABOUT CITY EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE CITY CARS, GASOLINE, AND A CELLPHONE BILL OF
    $900 PER MONTH.? IS THAT GOOD MANAGEMENT?

    HOW MANY CITY EMPLOYEE CARS DO WE HAVE? HOW MANY CELL PHONES ARE WE
    PAYING FOR EACH MONTH?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:44 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • Sanitation Department problems.

    The City should take a long hard look at the expenses in the whole city and in every department. Let us economize and find a way to keep our
    Sanitation Department workers jobs.


    Why should the Sanitation workers have to suffer when the Police and other City Staff members have take home cars with gasoline furnished? Some of them are driving to their homes 25 miles outside the City?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:54 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • On the TV News REport on New Albany Sanitation, it was stated that the
    Mayor plans to sign an 8 year contract
    with the new company for garbage pickup.

    Why would the Mayor sign an 8 year contract if he didn't even know if he would like their service?

    Curious?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:14 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • Union workers stand together on this agenda.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:02 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • Nobody's losing a job. Nobody.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:21 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • By God people are going to lose there jobs! There Benfits,Insurance etc. Who does this Adminstration think they are B/S. He has lied on every "Vote for Garner Promise! They drive there new cars and B/S on the Taxpayers cell phone....There is no job safe in this City. Unless.. Throw this no count SOB out of office. Mr. So Called Mayor your taking food from my kids mouth. And you and the rest of them crooked liars enjoy it. Your nothing but a "ONE TIME NIGHTMARE" FOR OUR CITY!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:46 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • People are losing their jobs. If this blog is really for the "little people" then by damn let us all pitch in and have our voice be heard.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:56 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • I am agreeing and repeating an earlier comment.

    How can the City Administration even hold their heads up when they vote one day to pay for their "fun...pet"
    project, the Scribner Place at $400,000 per year and then.... the next day tell our sanitation employees that they may not have jobs in October?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:36 PM, July 23, 2005  

  • 1. Where was all of this concern when the city was losing $900,000/year from the sanitation department?! That's a tremendous amount of money to save the city...especially given that most of the sanitation workers will have jobs either with the new company or with the city. Let's keep the Mayor accountable for helping them get new jobs, but c'mon folks...this is a very smart fiscal move!

    2. The city works on fund accounting...scribner place money has nothing to do with the sanitation department. Never has, never will.

    3. I'm guessing the eight-year contract is because the private company needed a guaranteed amount of $$ to pay off all of the existing debts in the sanitation dept. (the newer, red garbage packers, for example). We should definitely get a copy of this contract and make the terms public.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:38 AM, July 24, 2005  

  • The Sanitation Dept. shows on paper to be losing $900K a year because it's been getting paid out of one of the 30 some-odd sewer accounts. I would bet my last dollar that these were part of the audit that the State could'nt make heads or tails of.
    Everything getting paid out by moving funds around.
    Do you think Mr. Mayor will include a YMCA-Scribner Place membership package in with thte pink slips that are going to the sanitation workers?
    Now I understand the 1 abstaining vote.
    Plus, this last commenter is obviously a member of the Garner administration.
    Making numbered points, like bluegill does, and taking apart comments one sentance at a time is a big red flag of POLITICS.
    Glad to think there might be a "deal" already made to get "most" employees back to a job.
    Saying this is "a very good fiscal move" is supporting a corrupted system. And you seem to have all the "answers" there huh?
    Signing an 8 year contract?
    THIS, bluegill, is what is REALLY wrong with New Albany.
    Always some kind of deals being made behind the scenes.
    What makes me most angry though, is that things like this just "pop up" and the public is always expected to accept it.
    It is blatant example of how the political system here in good 'ole New Albany operates.
    As far as I'm concerned... our "system" scares me to death.
    It is only widening the gap between the "haves" and the "have-nots" in our community.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:36 AM, July 24, 2005  

  • bluegill..Your words describe this adminstration correctly: Fraud,perjury,defamation. But let's go one step farther. How about a bunch of "Crooks,Liars,Pocket Liners, Thieves" No wonder they don't want an audit? Or an type of Investigation? Donnie Blevins more than likely cut a deal. The Council votes on raises on thursday. Then on friday they are told Pink slips October 1 ...This Adminstration has lied to us all along. Enough is enough. I demand an audit. And I demand an Investigation. I suggest to every person rweading this blog. And that each of you go to your neighbors,family,friends and show up at the August Council Meeting. And also contact your Council Members and demand an Investigation. Let's show this Adminstration who owns this town. And that we have had enough! It is time to ask Garner to resign!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:26 AM, July 24, 2005  

  • It's time for Garner to resign!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:46 AM, July 24, 2005  

  • Response to anonymous who stated that
    the City is on Fund accounting and the Scribner Place money has nothing to do with the City Budget.

    1. The $400,000 for Scribner per year is being paid out of EDIT money.

    2. The State of Indiana passed a law that states that EDIT money can
    be used for any lawful purpose.

    3. So-- the City could use EDIT for
    some portions of city projects and that would free up money to help
    fund Sanitation Department.

    4. If you recall, the City is using money from all kinds of pots to support the 2005 budget this year.

    5. We should challenge the City Council, including Councilman Blevins, and Councilman Messer, to re-consider the $400,000
    EDIt money being handed to SCRIBNER.

    6. The City Council should get out
    their pencils and paper and do some
    homework.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:12 PM, July 24, 2005  

  • This isn't the city council's decsion to make. They don't have a say in the sewer situation.

    By the way, which adminstration are you a part of? east ender says any body who makes lists is a plotician.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:57 PM, July 24, 2005  

  • I know you're not a politician...
    I was guessing to get a better hint. Thank you very much.
    I made the guesswork based upon not only the numbering system, but with the tone of your comment and the way you tried to reason it all away. Not a politician? Surely a political puppet.
    A move like this is exactly why I've been saying all along that we just can't trust this administration to make good decisions.
    A select few are going to be making a whole bunch of money on the "Project" with the "investment dollars" unwillingly donated by the sanitation workers.
    The whole thing stinks.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:32 PM, July 24, 2005  

  • EAST ENDER....THE CITY SHOULD BUILD A
    CONCRETE PLAQUE TO BE SET IN FRONT OF THE SCRIBNER PLACE PROJECT. IT SHOULD SAY----

    "WE, THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT,

    SACRIFICED OUR JOBS TO BUILD

    THIS GREAT PLAYHOUSE "

    FRIDAY, JULY 22, 2005

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:32 PM, July 24, 2005  

  • Not a bad idea.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 7:12 PM, July 24, 2005  

  • what you're missing is that a whole lot of money was aready made-------on the sewer project--44 million the largest project in na's history and it ran over --not under as reported-----the two--sanitation and sewer---are hand in hand----the mayor and two others are doing a good job at having you focus on sanitation----the whole problem is in the sewer dept.----ther sanitation dept---per month is not losing as much as the sewer dept.---which is why the mayor called for privitization.
    THINK ABOUT THIS---IN FEB. THE MAYOR ASKED FOR TWO NEW PACKERS--NOW HE WANTS TO PRIVITIZE---WHAT CHANGED SO QUICKLY----NOT THE SANITATION DEPT. THEY KNEW IT WAS LOSING MONEY----WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK WHEN THE S HITS THE FAN---THE STORY WILL BE ABOUT THE SEWER DEPT. NOT SANITATION

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:14 PM, July 30, 2005  

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