Speak Out Loud NA

Sunday, November 20, 2005

a href=" title="external link"> The Sewer Saga Continues

We are indeed now seeing the beginnings of the predicted sewer rate increases.
It seems there is much more work that needs to be done, and there just isn't enough money (again) in the till to stop the massive overflows that are still occurring.
We have been talking about the areas of concern, and the existance of the New Albany "Potty Police", which is a team of hardy souls (God luv 'em) who go out and document each and every overflow and gushing giser of raw sewage that explodes into the streets and streams of our fair(?) city with more regularity than most of us can claim ourselves.
The system is apparently plauged with problems, not all of which are claimed to be related to the failings of the lines.
If you didn't catch it in the hard copy, read the Courier Journal article regarding the EPA investigation into allegations of "sabatoge" to the sewer computer system last month that resulted in an overflow of about 5 million gallons of raw sewage. Just click on the link at the bottom of this posting.
Meanwhile, we've assembled some thoughts and questions from readers who are quite concerned about just how and when, and how much, it will be before we finally get any relief from the frequent release of raw sewage from the failing system.

I'd like to know the answers to the following questions, as a sewer rate payer, since it seems they're talking about ANOTHER sewer rate hike.
The first $40 million just didn't seem to get it. Gee.
1. Why did the City (attorney Greg Fifer) give Georgetown an extension for repayment of the monies they owe; especially since they had it, and they have now lost their Riverboat money. Because they were saving it to pay us?

2. Is Georgetown going to build their own plant? Or, will Lanesville do it for them?

3. Are any of these big overflows the past few weeks related to Ruckman's lines coming into the Robert E. Lee station?
Testimony was given at the State level the Robert E. Lift and Corydon Pike and every other line would and could handle these new lines, without further construction. Is it coincidence that overflows have increased since the Ruckman line came on?

4. Rate payers testified at the State level, when we got the State Revolving Loan Fund (SRLF) bonds, that this "plan" would not work (as did then Councilman Garner). We testified as to the Robert E. Lift, Corydon Pike, the inner City, etc., etc., all being left out of this "plan". Nothing was getting fixed, the system was only being expanded. This was the WRONG plan.

Now, who was correct, and do you really think anyone's going to give the City more bonds, based upon our track record of non-compliance?

5. Do you think they will do a formal rate study, as REQUIRED by law? We're not sure they did so the last time. We cannot allow them to continue skirting the laws.
I'm worried. Worried for the rate payers, because we STILL HAVE TO FIX THE SEWERS, AGAIN! Who's got the money? And this Administration wants salary raises?

6. The chronological order of events are this: Overton signed the new amended Consent Decree; she selected the "plan" in a matter we won't tackle right now; she sold the Bonds, and she started the construction, and demanded it be done before she left office. Garner is just finishing up her work and signing legal documents that we're just not sure he should be signong, because of the lack of certain things we also won't go into (like good legal advice, etc.).

7. How many of these individuals involved with the sewer "plan" actually read the Consent Decree with the EPA? It was required reading, per the agreement, for anyone touching our sewers. Hmmmmmm.
Mayor Garner, could you please give us the answer to this one?
Like the Potty Police say, how many more MILLIONS DO YOU WANT TO SPEND? I wonder?
You should wonder too.
I'm worried at the liability this City (US) may face due to some of the actions we have caused/undertaken because of the conflicts of interest between the Sewer Board Attorney and certain developers. How can one attorney represent both?

The EPA seems to have a handle on some issues (sabatoge?), and the State has to be involved in any negotiations, so we'll see. The press is now getting involved, and these are all good signs for tax and rate payers. We know the administration does not like the EPA. But, we the public, need to realize the city is in litigations, and therefore they cannot talk directly to each other. The EPA, however, can talk to us, as citizens, all day long, because they work for us. Right now, I'm banking on the EPA.
There was a prediction made when all of this originally went down, and that was:
The "Plan" would not work; there would be a cover-up; the cover-up would be exposed; and then the chips would fall where they may.
Which stage do you feel we are in now, seeing we still haven't started our 1 year test period by the EPA, nor have we gotten any credits, and we're having several mysterious overflows. There is a lawsuit going on with ADM (sewer contractors), etc. You tell me what you think.
It ain't heavy, it's my money! It's your money too.


  • Amen. Thanks, Laura. You sum it up so well, not like my carrying ons. Thank you for simplifying it for the general public, rather than some of the Potty Police, who has been dealing with it for over 10 to 15 years and tend to get frustrated. Thanks.

    By Anonymous New Albany Potty Police Member, at 3:33 AM, November 20, 2005  

  • My super sensitive smell detector tells me you are onto something significant. How much stormwater is getting into the sewage system? Manhole covers don't dance on their own.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:01 AM, November 20, 2005  

  • To Anon: The manhole over near Roanoke & McDonald Ln they sealed was because of "methane" gas. It definitely had the boogie woogie fever!

    The City didn't have the money to do what they needed to do to fix it, so they sealed it.

    SO GLAD you mentioned the stormwater and the sewers; see how it all plays together?!

    We were ordered to have flow monitors in each area for an "X" amount of time before we started work in an area; and then the flow monitors were to be put in afterwards for an "X" amount of time, to determine just how much STORMWATER we were getting out.

    The formula is "we take 5 gallons of water out of the system and we get 1 sewer credit".

    We did get the flow monitors; specially calibrated and everything. Then, we got a new manager in at EMC, and they SOLD all of them. To us, we don't know how they are going to prove to the EPA the amount of STORMWATER they took out of our lines.

    We were told the only monitors in existence now is for Georgetown to measure their flow into the plant.

    Just wasn't what the Consent Decree dictated. That is why we wonder how many of the administration and/or contractors and/or the contracted Engineers READ THE CONSENT DECREE.

    It is frustrating when you know what we are suppose to be doing, but yet they claim we don't know.

    And people wonder why we need a stormwater fee, after we have told them the testing of the creeks, etc., that has been done; the source of pollution was sewage from leaky laterals and cross-connections. This City will never admit that though.

    It all plays together, though, no matter what I'm told. You'll have to forgive me for not having that "blind faith" so many others do. We think 15 years is too long to fix our sewer system.

    As someone said before, HOW MANY MORE MILLIONS DO YOU WANT TO SPEND?

    Thanks for asking. Have a good 'un.

    By Anonymous NA Potty Police Member, at 12:22 PM, November 20, 2005  

  • And the really sad thing about all of this is the lack of accountability for ALL OF THE MILLIONS, not just the 41 Million spent lately, but ALL OF THE MILLIONS TOGETHER, over the past 15 years.
    Truly a sin. I just want to know when we are truly going to FIX the inner City. When we saw the "Plan" they picked and saw the inner City was left out, we got ill at that point in time, because we knew they would just come back at us in 4 years for more money. Make it 6, and now they're back.

    If the Council thinks they have had some bad meetings before this issue hits their desks, the new ones are in for a rude awakening. It is truly amazing how many people care about this issue when they start talking about a rate hike... It's going to be interesting, I'd say! We just don't have the monies for all of their screw ups. We're done with it. We have put our faith on another level, if you know what I mean.
    Thanks for your great articles, about the sewers and the Greenway. Hopefully, the smell won't knock 'em down in the west end from the plant, if our clarifiers are leaking. Hope that wasn't a "design" flaw; then again, maybe we'd get some of those "surety bonds" from the BIG CONSULTANT involved in this mess.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:58 PM, November 20, 2005  

  • Can someone tell us how we can go about protesting the way the Stormwater fee will be applied? They are saying it will be put on our water bills.
    What about properties that don't get a water bill (vacancies, lots)?
    What makes those property owners exempt from paying the same fee?
    I don't think it's fair that I have to pay for it, but the owner of the rental property across the street that is vacant will not.
    It rains on all of us doesn't it?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:17 PM, November 20, 2005  

  • Not sure how that one would work. It comes to my mind about Florida and the law taxpayers had struck down there because it was an unfair tax.

    That issue involved having to sue the State of FL where they put a $500 impact fee on any citizen moving into FL on their automobiles. They did this with the purpose in mind to stop all of those cars who say "Florida or bust" from being left on the sides of the highways. It was ruled an illegal tax because it singled out certain individuals, not all, and FL had to reimburse the monies back. Me, I had sense enough not to pay it and simply traded my automobile and let the dealer deal with it.
    So, I guess we would have to sue the City or ask the Attorney General for a ruling.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:02 PM, November 20, 2005  

  • I'm wondering....
    Since the sewer department has not been "able" to do an audit to see exactly where they are, and only 5 months of financial statements are available, how can they be so sure there needs to be a rate hike.
    After all, they are taking the sanitation "support" off the books, and the Drainage program is coming out, including 8 salaries, so this should change their financial situation dramatically.
    Furthermore, the new Stormwater fee will be kicking in to pay for rainfall consequences.
    How can they be accurately predicting that they will be needing to raise the rates AGAIN?
    In my opinion, this whole thing stinks! We deserve answers.
    We should insist on a full accounting of what they did with the first $40 mil.
    The EDIT funds should be used to replace all funds that have been misappropriated since the repair plan was implemented.
    One last question... what is the authorizing body that approves or denies rate increases?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 11:13 PM, November 20, 2005  

  • You would think the Indiana Regulatory Commission or something. Have to look into that one, for sure.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:34 PM, November 20, 2005  

  • An early Thanksgiving Greeting,

    Happy Thanksgiving to all the little people of New Albany.

    In the next few weeks we will be going after the real "Turkeys" in New Albany.


    Let's start by focusing on more facts and make a stand for all of us.

    It's time to take our Town Back!

    By Anonymous PROUD CITIZEN OF NA, at 6:16 AM, November 21, 2005  

  • Don't like labeling, but here we go again with the "little people" and wishing us Happy Thanksgiving, in the same sentence.

    Oh, well, no sweat off our brows. I guess some people have to call people names, or label us.

    Sorry they weren't given enough facts by you, nor the rest that have been working on this stuff.

    Are they trying to distract us from the sewer rate hike, the storm water fee, and the "sabotage" at the plant?

    And I really hate "veiled" threats. "We are going after the big turkeys in New Albany soon." What does that mean?

    Well, I guess some of us just aren't doing enough or moving fast enough for some people.

    We ALL ARE IN THIS TOGETHER, and IT IS ALL OF OUR MONIES, we are trying everything we can do to help our City and the citizens of this great town. I hope this taxpayer can keep their faith and hopes alive; mine's doing fine, how about yours?

    Have a good Monday, New Albany. And, it is "Thanksgiving" time; hope we all can be grateful for the little bit we do have.

    After speaking with some Council members, our sewer rates have at least quadrupled since 1999, Laura. They said that $150,000,000.00 mark for the past 15 years sounds about right (how much we have spent on sewers & attorneys). (and they still don't work).....

    I don't have any more money for these horrible, horrible, screwups. Do you? And, we are soooo tired of it all, bluh!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:51 AM, November 21, 2005  

  • DUH----This issue was always there.
    Overton needed to raise rates 62% to cover costs----that is what the "experts" told her---she made them hold to a 50% increase so it would seem to be holding costs down---- she also went with the most expensive plan when a cheaper one would have done the job--I remember sitting in the meeting with her and three engineers--she chose the rolls when a chevy would have done the job---a lot of political good it did her.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:42 AM, November 21, 2005  

  • I must admit this is all rather overwhelming to me. If the city spent $40,000,000 where did it go?

    The "potty police" have a good reason to be frustrated. What good does it do to serve on a committee and spend all of your time doing research and sitting through hours of meetings when you opinion doesn't count? Apparently this happened to Anon 10:42 who had to sit by and watch Overton choose a "Rolls when a Chevy would do".

    People serve on these committees for a reason. They should not be steamrolled into approving decisions made by the person who happens to be mayor at the time.

    I have been talking about demanding a full audit for several months now. Seems like this is another reason an audit is needed. I don't care how much money people are saying it is going to cost. I would rather pay for something such as an audit that will give me answers than pay for continuing mistakes and no accountability.

    How can this Administration keep spending our money and not be held accountable? I know Ms. Overton actually spent the $40MIL but the same habits are continuing, (the $17,000,000 swiming pool for example).

    Laura, we need a complete audit NOW. (Sorry, but I got off the subject a little.)

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 11:39 AM, November 21, 2005  

  • Not to change the subject...but there was wailing and gnashing of teeth on this blog when the sanitation people were going to be privatized.

    There are 150 people who are losing their jobs at Silvercrest. But there's only silence here. Is it because it's OK for a Republican governor to cut 150 jobs? So many of the "Democrats" here seem to just want to attack their own...makes you wonder where their true allegances lie.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:24 PM, November 21, 2005  

  • ooh dang. BUUUURRRNNN!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:08 PM, November 21, 2005  

  • 10:57 Anonymous,

    Don't even go there. We know who your implying. So go back to the other blogs and post.
    We know who is going to be our next Mayor. So give it a rest. And please stick to the issues. Like sewers, sanitation. mismanagement and all the other serious problems we are having in New Albany.

    What we really need is an audit and a full investigation.

    And to you Mayor James Garner their is more than 6-7 people in New Albany who wants to hold you accountiable and get you removed from office.

    That's my opinion

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:37 PM, November 21, 2005  

  • Silvercrest would be a touchy subject with some people in town. I think I would like to see the finances/financial situation there before I draw my "conclusions".

    Other people have wondered at the cost of keeping it open, is it worth it, etc. It's not like they haven't tried to shut it before. Why can't you wait to see, like the rest of us?

    I really don't feel it's a Democrat or a Republican issue, personally. Hope I'm allowed to have my "feelings".

    And how you can possibly link the sanitation issue with Silvercrest Hospital, which is a State issue, is beyond my powers of logic. Unless, you are trying to steer us away from the issues we are speaking to here.

    I do know another Blog that operates in a kind of blind faith mode, though. Let me know if you need the sight name. Take care, and have a good evening. Our family's opinion, and you, you're allowed yours!

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$$, at 11:37 PM, November 21, 2005  

  • garner in 2007, reelection landslide bring it little people

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:47 PM, November 21, 2005  

  • Okay, you are insisting on the Mayor's blog sight name. All is well there in their blog land, and there are no disagreements between any of you on the subject of how great Garner thou art.

    You may find that not to be the case here, but, what the hey?

    What is that sight name, oh yeah, the one I think is the Mayors', that would be the Volunteer Hoosier, wouldn't it? My memory could be failing me though. Our opinions.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:53 PM, November 21, 2005  

  • Yeah, they just can't seem to leave us with a peaceful blog.
    Poke, poke, poke... like little kids trying to pick a fight.
    Please, go along now and play with your friends at the Garner blog. We have serious issues we are dealing with here. Like the health and welfare of the citizens of New Albany. And we are not alone.
    You boys can cry in your beer when the 2007 election is done and the current administration is thrown out on their butts.

    By the way... Shirley, you are doing just fine. Your comments are welcomed. I know it is a lot to try to figure out, but I will try to continue to explain things the best I can. Hang in there.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 12:46 AM, November 22, 2005  

  • To the Mayor:

    After what I heard today, a story about a luncheon held out at Sam's last week, all I have to say is this little ditty to you "Paranoia will destroy ya".

    Me, I am glad to know you think there is, what did you say "half-dozen of people trying to take you down"? And we somehow are all connected to some evil woman?

    You have lost your frigging mind. We are going to let you assume what you want, but just remember what the word assume stands for: an ass out of you and me.

    Hope you got your ears full that day. You certainly deserved it, but that is my adamant opinion. And believe me when I say, I know you really don't care what any of us think. Glad you can't have lunch with any of my relatives...
    If I had been them, I'd probably have puked on you. Harsh? Yeah, but you stepped over boundaries that could be considered tantamount to harassment, just because what you do not like what a public speaker had to say at Council.

    I ask you to take it to THEIR FACE, and see what they have to say NOW to you. You've been warned, but if I were you; I would step back and wonder if I ain't getting some bad advice from someone! Our opinion, again.

    By Blogger ALL4NA, at 1:14 AM, November 22, 2005  

  • Clarification here -- Warned as to this individual has really taken it personally and is so angry with you; and I can't blame him. It really ought to be an interesting next Council meeting. Hope they and you will both be there. Say it to their face.

    By Blogger ALL4NA, at 1:21 AM, November 22, 2005  

  • Word has gotten around, and it ain't good.
    Get Mommy to make him stop bullying you, eh?
    How pitiful.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:46 AM, November 22, 2005  

  • Many of us Citizens in New Albany are Proud to wear the Little People Label.


    We all have good reasons to hold our heads up high with alot of New Albany Pride.

    And I also highly support an Audit and an Investigation of this Adminstration.

    By Anonymous GARY WEBB, at 6:59 AM, November 22, 2005  

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    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 7:43 AM, November 22, 2005  

  • How can I link sanitation workers with Silvercrest workers?

    They're public employees providing important public services. They're both getting a raw deal. But only one group is actively defended on here, and they're only defended because it must advance some agenda.

    So, I ask again: why is it OK for Mitch to fire 150 people?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:08 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • At $6.9 million a year for 53 students, let me think about it. No hidden agendas here, we are looking at the numbers. How many people are losing their jobs out there?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:25 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • Yep, it's expensive, and it's part of a process to help streamline services to people, and it's about being a good steward of public money.

    So, what's the difference between the two?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:31 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • Anyone interested in reading some interesting information regarding the unfortunate events rearding the Silvercreast Hospital should take a look over at the NA Health blog.
    The link is on this front page, or simply go to www.nahealth.blogspot.com

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:46 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • As I attempt to get a good understanding of the sewer problems in the city, I have some more questions that come to mind.
    With all the overflows that have occurred since the $40 million "repairs" of the system, have we faced any fines? How many, or how much? What are the fines based upon?
    How culpable is EMC, the agency we're paying to run the sewer system? What do we pay them a year?
    Can they be held accountable for any of the costs to repair the repairs that aren't holding up?
    Are they the ones who did the repairs to start with?
    How does the Mayor, as Chair of the Sewer Board, manage the system's operations? Or is it just oversight of the money?
    What is his salary for this position?
    Also, I am appalled that they would "seal" manhole covers. Is this even legal?
    Finally, how would a person go about finding the information regarding the "extension" of time given to Georgetown for the $2 million they owe for sewer service?
    Hope this isn't too much info to ask for, but I think it's all important stuff.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 7:47 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • In my opinion, it sure seems that an investigation is imminent. Too many questionable activities have happened.
    The problems we are facing due to the incompetence of the Mayor and the bad decisions of money being mis-used out of the sewers are beyond acceptable in my book.
    We should not have to give them more millions of dollars because they screwed it up.

    By Anonymous not made of money, at 8:49 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • We're starting to get information in about the overflows that happened during that last rain fall. We are looking at the Jacob's creek area, and the Vincennes area, at least.

    Thank you blog!

    Take care.

    By Anonymous New Albany Potty Police Member, at 8:56 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • yes sealing manhole covers is quite legal and a common practice to keep storm water infiltration out of the sanitary and to keep manhole covers flush to the ring, which is more cost effective than jackhammering out the ring and resetting the manhole. It happened during the Real admininistation, The England administration and The Overton administration so put aside your Garner is committing an illegal act implication by allowing the sealing of manhole covers Laura

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 8:57 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • To fix a methane problem; come on Tim... where are you going. Gotta throw those politics in, though. When are you going to realize this involves every single individual, whether man, woman or child, in this city.
    It's moved way past a political issue. Those "true environmental" colors are coming through. Re-dye your shirt when you get home.

    By Anonymous Potty Police Member, at 10:51 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • Yeah, he likes to brag to anyone who will listen to him what a sewer expert he is, too. He knows where all of the overflows are, don't you Tim? Tell the trufers now. You're on Candid Camera. You've bragged about it enough, wanted to wander off with various women to prove your point...let's hear ALL about it. We are certainly ALL ears. We know you have told US TIME AND TIME AGAIN...let's hear the spin this time! Our opinion.

    By Anonymous Another New Albany Potty Police Member, at 10:55 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • My super sensitive smell detector tells me that you people can't keep your discipline when Tim comes in the room. It's been a good ride, but now the true colors of the little people will start shining through.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:04 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • Ahhhhhhhhh, shucks.
    Thought we might get one by 'ya.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:06 PM, November 22, 2005  

  • Either quit talking to yourself, Timmy, or go see a shrink. That's our opinion. Anything you have to prove, you definitely know where to go. Our opinion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:33 AM, November 23, 2005  

  • Let's get back on task folks.
    It's not worth wasting our time, or our space.
    Everybody already knows.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:39 AM, November 23, 2005  

    OR NOT!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:15 AM, November 23, 2005  

  • NA favorite Democrats party at VIP Party at Muhammed Ali Center Sat. Evening.
    What an exciting evening for all. Especially
    CT Finally got to meet Rep. Maxine Waters. And added to that list of course Former President Bill Clinton.
    We all got Mr. Clinton's attention with the Famous Hillary Clinton 2008 for President Pins.

    What a President,and what a Man.

    Seems like other great Democrats of New Albany were busy last weekend. Rockin to Elton John.

    A full weekend of funny, and great memories.

    Tell me the New Albany Democrats don't know how to party!

    By Anonymous PARTY WITH LOCAL DEMOCRATS, at 7:42 AM, November 23, 2005  

  • Well I see the Potty Police made it to Baylors blog.

    Tim Deatrick you are totally ate up with jealousy and ignorance.
    You need to be less judgemental of others.
    God help you little timmy.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:04 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • Happy Thanksgiving to Mr. Donnie Blevins. Hope you liked your new job starting today on the Street Dept.

    From what I understand you have turned your back on your brothers and sisters on the Sanitation Department.

    I also understand you are in line for Randy's job. So maybe you and Mr. Mayor have cut a deal?

    I hope when you pray over your turkey meal tomorrow you might also pray for your fellow Sanitation Workers. Who might not have a job in the next few weeks.

    Shame on you Councilman Blevins

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:41 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • ok potty police member, you advocate releasing methane from a manhole to the atmosphere, assuming you agree with eastender that sealing manholes is a bad thing or as she put it illegal.

    FYI methane is a greenhouse gas with 23 times the magnification effect of co2. So logically it can be assumed that you want the city to not seal manholes in order to release one of the most potent greehouse gases known to man.

    Good thinking potty police, aslo FYI the potential for a combustion of methane gas in a typical sewer manhole is astronomical as this would involve several chemical reactions. Do yourself a favor take a chemistry course or an environmental physics course.

    jist my pinion

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 4:57 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • Dear Timmy: Your whole article is nullified with the words "assume"***. Never assume, Timmy, it makes an ass out of you and me.
    All we can say is we'd hate to see that manhole blow up, and we know some residents there that are afraid. Why don't you talk with them? Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!

    By Anonymous A NA Potty Police Supporter, at 5:54 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • The deal with Blevins was cut approximately one month and a half ago. We tried telling sanitation workers IT WAS GOING down. We are also hearing another Councilmember telling everyone sanitation is going to be privitized. How do "they" already know that?

    Garner's "Goons of Four", Baylor and Smith's "the Gang of Four" and a "Flipflopper". God help us all!

    We don't know that Mr. Blevins remembers how to pray, at least in the way we do. God bless you, Mr. Blevins. You need all the forgiveness you can ask for. Happy Thanksgiving to you, too.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all of New Albany.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$, at 5:59 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • Sorry about the mess with the link on the blog. I was working on a new posting and got called away to work.
    Didn't realize it had left up a link.
    So sorry.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 8:56 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • What a shame how the political favortism runs rampant in this city.
    Sounds pretty cut and dry to me.
    CM Donnie Blevins cut himself a deal and hung his fellow workers out to dry.
    Blowin' in the wind.......
    A good campaign song for the Garner administration, I think.
    Happy Thanksgiving to all... and let's hope there's a little more peace around your tables than there has been around town.
    Good Nite Folks.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 9:02 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • OOPS!!! Forgot someones Birthday.
    Pleeeeeez forgive US. Just flew back into Town.

    Belated Happy Birthday
    Concern Taxpayer

    By Anonymous ALAN & JANICE, at 9:18 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • We don't know that Mr. Blevins remembers how to pray, at least in the way we do.

    Charming that in addition to being an expert on all things potty, the dollar sign wench also understands theology so well that she can teach us how to pray.

    My, my -- the sheer hubris.

    (You may now delete, censor sham)

    By Anonymous Herbie's back!, at 10:16 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • Happy Birthday CT.
    And a special Thanksgiving to Laura and the Speak Out Loud NA Diehards.

    Keep the faith guys!


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:18 PM, November 23, 2005  

  • Let's all Let by gons be by gons for just one day.

    By Anonymous FEDUPTAXPAYER, at 12:00 AM, November 24, 2005  

  • A M E N !!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:09 AM, November 24, 2005  

  • Good article about the Greenway on Maury's blog. Contrary to what clueless Sodrel said, it's not a feel-good project. It's something that helps economic development by offering lifestyle choices for the type of people we need to live here.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:15 AM, November 24, 2005  

  • Happy Thanksgiving,

    To the men and women who will be in IRAQ this Thanksgiving day.
    The people of New Albany, remember you in every way.
    I know you have little ones, back here at home.
    I see you in the desert, sleeping in the sand, all alone
    It must be difficult to learn a language not your own
    To keep the peace in Iraq, is hard when those you love
    Are back in Indiana so far away
    I feel your sadness on this Thanksgiving Day.
    You are young men & women teaching Freedom is the way America was made
    How do you show people, who are so afraid.
    When you walk with boots, that fill with sand
    But the Lord is still there with you in a Muslin Land
    I will set a place at the table this Thanksgiving Day

    Hoping you will come back soon.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:21 AM, November 24, 2005  

  • Happy Holiday,

    east ender,concern taxpayer,
    onevoice, proud citizens of NA, and all the brave anonymous writers.

    Thank You all

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:14 AM, November 24, 2005  

  • Here's the place where anonymous "borrowed" the Thanksgiving poem without attributing the author.


    If you want to play by the rules, play by ALL the rules, not just some.

    By Anonymous Herbert Streicher, at 11:22 AM, November 24, 2005  

  • Why do you have to be such an ass?
    Can't you just let people say a thoughtful prayer for those who are not with us this Thanksgiving, and believe that that is a good thing?
    To whoever posted these loving thoughts, I thank you for reaching out to the families who have loved ones overseas, and we will all pray for their safe return as we give thanks today.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:36 PM, November 24, 2005  

  • I would truly like to understand why our City Council refuses to call for an investigation.
    What does the City have to hide?
    We need to demand an audit.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:33 PM, November 24, 2005  

  • TO: To Herbie's Back:

    It might just surprise you what $$$$$$'s knows... A man's actions speak a lot more than his words, you know what I mean?

    Seeing he used his "ministerial" position to help him get elected, it all plays, along with the other "appointed" preacher.

    We are allowed our opinions, hey?
    Happy Turkey Day.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$, at 8:31 PM, November 24, 2005  

  • To $$$$$$$$

    You are so funny, I sure enjoy your comments. Very clever, when you remarked about the "other appointed preacher"in the Garner administration.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:10 PM, November 24, 2005  

  • It might just surprise you what $$$$$$'s knows... A man's actions speak a lot more than his words, you know what I mean?

    The man in question is Donnie Blevins. He has a name. He has a face. The "$$$$$" coward can question his religious commitment, but the "$$$$" coward's words are spoken without a name, without a face.

    Chicken feces is chicken feces, no matter how much you claim to know.

    By Anonymous That Herbert fellow, at 12:06 AM, November 25, 2005  

  • Don't really care. I voted for him, and am disappointed. He put him self out there -- not us. And, my opinion is my opinion. Obviously, it's not yours. Have a good day!

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$, at 12:21 AM, November 25, 2005  

  • And, if I didn't hate labeling so much, chicken feces would sum up how I feel about his actions. It's not like half the town didn't know the deal had been cut.
    Chicken feces, again. Our humble VOTING opinion.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$$, at 12:23 AM, November 25, 2005  

  • I'll second that opinion.
    All in favor........

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:17 AM, November 25, 2005  

  • The City Council has not called for an audit because the State is still working on the 2004 data, and, to the best of my knowledge, has yet to release their findings.
    I've been told an audit cannot be performed for the Sewer accounts, because the financial data is just not there (doesn't this just get better all the time?).
    The best they have been able to produce is a 5 month financial report, and even that comes with a disclaimer.
    We will be asking more questions in regards to this issue. Especially since they are contending that a sewer rate hike is necessary.
    I defy them to prove it!
    That's my opinion on the matter.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:00 AM, November 25, 2005  

  • Many people are ashamed they voted for Mayor Garner! Cause people were saying this in line at Krogers on Grantline road on Wed. Evening. Of all places to hear their comments. It was a hoot!
    Seems like to me were not the only ones discussing the sisutions in New Albany.

    I third that opinion. Keep up the great work. We all need to be appreciated for what we do.

    Impeach the Mayor is my thoughts!

    My proud anonymous opinion

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:35 AM, November 25, 2005  

  • $$$$, why are you cowardly?

    By Anonymous Herbie, at 11:18 AM, November 25, 2005  

  • Find you funny, Herbie. Have a good day...

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$$$, at 12:54 PM, November 25, 2005  

  • herbie,
    Your about as waco as they come.

    Keep preaching to the crowd. Your doing one hell of a job! It's all up to us to inform the people of New Albany.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:39 PM, November 25, 2005  

  • We WILL inform the public.
    We are watching, listening, and paying very close attention to all the actions of the City administration.
    It is our civic duty to make sure that the public affairs, which affect us all, are know by as many citizens as we can reach.
    It's our money (to borrow a line), and it's our community. We have a right to know, and a duty to SPEAK OUT LOUD!!!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 10:06 PM, November 25, 2005  

  • Couldn't say it better. Sure wish more people felt that way. Maybe we could change 30 years worth of stagnation. Our sentiments, exactly!!! Keep up the good work!

    And, why would it matter to anyone who I am? Love exercising that freedom of speech without the fear of retaliation.

    Good night, NA.. Have a pleasant tomorrow.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$, at 2:35 AM, November 26, 2005  

  • Good night.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:06 AM, November 26, 2005  

  • Laura,

    Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. My family did.

    I understand what you are saying about the audit. But, as you know, we cannot just keep writing checks for the Mayor.

    We must have some sort of accounting for all of the money being spent.

    I will continue to push for an audit, whether of not it is feasible. I will not continue to throw money at someone who is not held accountable.

    My opinion.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 10:07 AM, November 26, 2005  

  • We hope the public recognizes how hard many citizens fought against the sewer "plan" that was selected.

    Citizens maintained this "plan" was simply for expansion, not for the fixing of our sewers in the inner city.

    The Consent Decree mandated we fix the inner city. This citizen's thoughts, after the article in the Courier-Journal this morn, is why didn't we?

    The Consent Decree also contained Appendix D, which was the maintenance plan for the inner city. The Council appropriated $270,000.00 a year out of EDIT, and instead for the past 2 years this money was applied towards a bond. The Administration couldn't even do that for the citizens. The money has to be paid back to meeting this Federal mandate. Wish someone would tell someone in charge.

    It's obvious we must not have fixed our inner city sewers, or we would not be talking about the possibility of not getting more hook ups on (sewer credits), thus requiring another large rate hike to come up with another "plan".

    Can someone tell the citizens what it will take to fix the sewers inside this city? Can we hold the big Engineers responsible for not fixing the inner city, instead expanding the lines in the fringe areas? Can you imagine examining those contracts, trying to find if there are surety bonds? How about the bad faith the City operated in going into this project?

    Reality is setting in this morning about all the time wasted, all of the monies wasted, and for what, pray tell?

    Citizens do want accountability for the selection of this "plan" and for the spending of the extra monies (we did have a guaranteed maximum price contract with contingency fees, etc., but golly gee, there was so much unexpected rock at almost every location and change orders galore, blah, blah, blah).

    There must be a lot of money to be made in this sewer business, wouldn't you say?

    Just tell us what we can do to get the inner-city fixed; and why we paid for an expansion, when we were suppose to fix the problems INSIDE THE INNER CITY.

    We are reasonable people; but right now, our frustration knows no limits. The words "BITE ME" come to mind. This would be our opinion.

    By Anonymous New Albany Potty Police Member, at 12:27 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • And, why would it matter to anyone who I am?

    You're right -- it doesn't.

    You don't matter.

    By Anonymous daffy, at 12:48 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • Dear Daffy: Then, please ask them to stop asking me who I am, if it "really" doesn't matter.

    I like your sign in "Daffy". Really speaks volumes, doesn't it? Stay out of the kitchen, Daffy, if you can't stand the heat.

    Meanwhile, don't worry about me. Unless, wait a minute, do I threaten you?!? Hah. One day you'll learn to leave well enough alone. My opinion.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$, at 1:18 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • Shirley,
    Thank you, we did have a wonderful Thanksgiving, as we tried to put the problems of the City out of our minds for a little while and concentrated on the things we have to be thankful for.
    As for the audit, I wholeheartedly agree. We should not let them "off the hook", so to speak, just because they have kept inaccurate and insufficient records.
    They are still responsible for accounting for our money they spent.
    I will contact you personally with some information regarding a possible avenue of action.
    You are absolutely correct, we cannot continue to throw good money after bad. They must be able to PROVE where the money went.

    To the Potty Police member -
    I cannot imagine the frustration you must feel, having followed this ridiculous trail of incompetence for too many years.
    The way I understand it, the key words here are "CONSENT DECREE".
    Fixing the inner-city lines was the sole purpose. I want someone to explain why it wasn't done.
    Again, mismanagement rears its ugly head.
    Furthermore, I believe we have $540K coming back into the sewer fund before they start talking about any rate increases. Also, a full financial accounting that reflects the elimination of the sanitation dept., drainage work, and 8 salaries. What did all this add up to each year?
    Add that number back into the sewer fund, and Georgetown's $2mil, then tell us what we have.
    One more question for Mr. Mayor: Do you still want us to use those inflated numbers from sanitation?
    Did you think they wouldn't come back and bite you? (make that 2)

    Daffy, You're wasting space. Go away.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:21 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • About Mr. Blevins when you check his voting record he does tend to go along with the mayor and now with rumors that we are privitizing and recently he's transferred to the street department. Something or someone smells bad. Keep up the good work james and donnie. Is it called Integrity. Honesty. The mayor and this council person should not compromise their elected positions.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:23 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • Too late. The compromises have been made, the integrity lost.

    P.S. Privatization is not a rumor.
    Unfortunately, it is a fact.

    By Anonymous Not Made of Money, at 5:25 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • That's what we hear too. Rumpke got it. Wish we could have time to set up an ANGEL tree for the workers. How are our citizens going to survive? We as citizens, I think can be proud trying to do the right thing. Our family does, and our hearts go out to you for this winter and Christmas time.
    Hope everyone things of their "guys" and "girls" in their neighborhood and leave them a present this year.
    Take care NA.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:36 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • P.S. Make that correction, please, "thinks of" their personal sanitation workers this Christmas. Thx.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:44 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • There are more than two lawsuits the sewer board is involved in, also. FYI: ADM (Arnold, etc..), Rick Fox, Lee Cotner, and another attorney, and Georgetown.

    More money for Greg. That's all I'll say to that one. Truly starting to smell.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:47 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • Really speaks volumes, doesn't it? Stay out of the kitchen, Daffy, if you can't stand the heat.

    Meanwhile, don't worry about me. Unless, wait a minute, do I threaten you?!? Hah. One day you'll learn to leave well enough alone. My opinion.

    Raw courage, $$$$$. You've made a lot of threats since you've been wearing that mask around town. Who do you think you are, John Mattingly?

    By Anonymous herbie, at 7:15 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • Why don't you ask John, and quit worrying about me. You're just trying to distract us, and some of us, me for one, don't really care.

    Thanks, and have a good one.
    OUR OPINION, and you do your homework and spent years in mind numbing meetings with some of the people we have dealt with, then WE WILL TALK.

    No raw courage is needed to sit and take notes, and tapes and pay for documents, is there? Ignorance is bliss, use to be one of my family's favorite sayings.

    Again, have a good evening.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$$, at 7:21 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • By the way, I have not delivered threats to anyone, in anyway, and people that do know me are falling out of their chairs laughing at your insinuations. Our opinions.
    At least you are good for a laugh on our parts. We needed one.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$$, at 7:24 PM, November 26, 2005  

  • Herbie, or Daffy (whatever)-
    Why don't you come out from lurking in the shadows and reveal yourself if you are sooooooo adamant that anonymity is equal to cowardness? You are not so bright, as you are protesting the very action you choose to participate in.
    Worried about retaliation?
    Worried about your business?
    Worried about your family?
    You better start worrying about your mind. I think it might be getting away from you.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:54 AM, November 27, 2005  

  • eastender,

    Your right, the sh-t is ready to hit the fan. It's time to take them all out. Things in the making. Hold on to your seat.
    bye...bye... James!

    Not just a opinion.. A fact..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:54 AM, November 27, 2005  

  • herbie,

    You better get ready to watch all your dreams go up in s-----e. Caz you won't have Jimmy to help you out caz his ass is on his way out. You will not see it comin....

    It will be a first for New Albany

    No more smoke and mirrors

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:03 AM, November 27, 2005  

  • Sure, I'll come out.

    Soon as the $$$$ poseur does.

    By Anonymous Herbert Streicher, at 12:42 PM, November 27, 2005  

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