ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!
The Mayor has called for a special meeting for this Friday at 3:00PM regarding the Stormwater Drainage plan that was rejected by Council at last Thursday's meeting.
WE MUST APPEAR AT THIS MEETING TO VOICE OUR OBJECTION TO BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION BACK BY CM DONNIE BLEVINS FOR A NEW VOTE DUE TO HIS INTENTION TO CHANGE HIS VOTE!!!
EVERYONE CALL YOUR COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE AND ASK THEM TO VOTE DOWN THIS RIDICULOUS REQUEST FOR $800,000 AND A THIRD SALARY FOR MAYOR GARNER. IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT THE FEES BEING PLACED ON HOMEOWNERS, AS THE COUNTY HAS DONE, FOR THE INTERIM PERIOD.
The Council voted down the Resolution after much discussion from the Stormwater Advisory Committee which informed them that the proposed rate structure was unfair and the seperate paid 3 member board, headed by Mayor Garner thus allowing him a 3rd salary from the taxpayers of New Albany was unnecessary.
(Read the comments under the "TIF Education" posting for more information)
The vote was 4 against, 3 for, and 2 abstentions (Crump & Blevins).
We found it strange at the time, that the Mayor, nor the City attorney, nor the controller Kay Gerry, who is required by law to attend all Council meetings, were not present.
The time of this meeting called for on Friday will make it difficult for most people to attend due to work obligations, so we need everyone who can get there to be there.
Our friends at the Elks Lodge... we are asking for your help as well. Please come down to the meeting at 3:00 Friday afternoon, third floor, and help us reject this new fee. The Administration is asking for $800K for this project, when it only requires less than $200K be available by May of 2006.
If we do not show up in a force of numbers, they will pass this unnecessary cost on to the taxpayers of New Albany. Can you afford ANOTHER fee?
COUNCIL MEMBERS PHONE NUMBERS ARE LISTED ON THE CITY WEB PAGE.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
COFFEY 949-1262 OR 797-8347
SCHMIDT 945-7386
PRICE 941-9032
KOCHERT 945-7652
CRUMP 948-2603
GAHAN 949-9314 OR 987-3262
BLEVINS 944-4856
MESSER 949-9638 OR 727-6809
SEABROOK 944-9644 OR 439-2201
50 Comments:
CONFUSION: The Citizens Stormwater Advisory Board had a meeting on Monday, October 24, 2005. Is the Mayor even considering any of the ideas from the Citizens Stormwater Advisory Board?
Why is the Mayor pushing so hard to place this fee on the taxpayers? What is his big rush?
By Anonymous, at 7:56 PM, October 26, 2005
Where is the agenda for this meeting on Friday at 3:00 PM ? What is listed on that agenda?
Why is it not being held in the evening when interested taxpayers could be there to observe?
By Anonymous, at 7:58 PM, October 26, 2005
Good questions, both of you. The Storm Water Commitee was told the interim fee had been taken care of by Council; therefore the SWAC worked on the illicit discharge ordinance. We can't figure it out either. Anybody gets any answers, please, please, let us know.
By Anonymous, at 8:21 PM, October 26, 2005
Thank you Laura. Just an another attempt to get more moneys from citizens who DON'T HAVE ANY LEFT to support this ADMINISTRATION's ineptness. It's like BY GOSH--I CAN'T GET IT THIS WAY -- I'LL GET IT THAT WAY. "Duh, people are soooo stupid." We are alive and well, Mayor, you need to keep on trucking...down the road...in your nice vehicle WE provide to you. BS, that's all this is, BS. But, that's my opinion.
By Anonymous, at 8:24 PM, October 26, 2005
laura is rite, u need to call council members, especially Donnie Blevins. He is Council at Large and services ALL OF NEW ALBANY. Ask him what the hey he's doing by resurrecting this piece of crap!
By Anonymous, at 8:25 PM, October 26, 2005
To Mayor Jimmy,
What the hell are you doing? Have you truly lost your mind Mr. Mayor? Why did you even have a Citizens Stormwater Advisory Board?
Why did you try to make it look like you really give a damn about those people who busted their asses and took time away from there family to help the Taxpayers of New Albany!
Your right Mr. King he just thought you the Citizens Stormwater Advisory Board would be a "Rubber Stamp" for this project!
This Advisory Board spent long hard hours trying to come up with other Avenues and other solutions.
And they done it for free!!!!! $0.00.... Mr. Mayor
And now your all pist off because people are unhappy with you. So what if your ego is bruised "Jimmy".
You have been sitting back on your ass playing "Mayor" and screwing with the Taxpayers money and knowing this was mandated for 2 Years and done absolutely nothing!
N-O-T-H-I-N-G! Mr. so called Mayor...
When there is over $900,000.00 in uncollected Sewer Bills..and $0.00 Collected in unpaid Sanitation bills..
Why don't you do the job we pay you to do?
When your also collecting illegal handicap parking fines..@ $20.00 ticket..Since 2000 to present...
No wonder you don't want an audit. Your afraid people will go to Jail!
What do you have to hide Mr. Mayor?
I sure hope the MBA of yours gets you your next job cause you will not be Re-Elected!
Tell me and the other taxpayers why you have done nothing for 2 years? I GUESS YOUR ANSWER IS "I DON'T KNOW"
And now Lord to behold you are worried about this City being fine $25,000 a day?...
Why did you take this job as Mayor if you were wanting to make more money? You knew how much you would get paid for being Mayor when you ran for office!
You sir do not have the best interest at heart for the Citizens and taxpayers of New Albany. You call yourself a leader!
You are a blooming Idiot! You are a phony and a liar! You run this City like you ran your business right in the ground!
You Sir don't give a damn about nobody but yourself and what you and your good olde boys can gain..
You have betrayed the people and the Citizens who put your ass in Office.
Like some Good Citizen said several month's ago when their is smoke there is fire... And there is alot of smoke covering them offices in the City County Building..
Boy we truly thought Regina was bad. You Mr. Mayor is this Cities worst Nightmare...
It was the Democrats who put a Republican Mayor in office last time and watch us do it again!!!!
Jimmy you also work for me and every taxpayer in this town and you have forgotten this!
And again, this is my damn opinion..
Concern Taxpayer
By Anonymous, at 9:47 PM, October 26, 2005
Guess I'm for sure going to have to bring that grandbaby in I've been babysitting for. Hey, is there a rule against that?
The "other" side sure has been awfully quiet, haven't they? Just reading an article from the CJ from 2001 said that says, when we were talking about stormwater then (contrary to what some people want to espouse), most areas were affected by raw sewage. HMMMMMM.
To the old Historical Kiwanas, one time you graciously let me speak to you; and then asked what could you do to help this great City. I hope now may be a good time. Alot of people can't make this hastily called meeting on Friday at 3:00 in the City/County Bldg on the third floor. At McDonalds and Dairy Queen, come on out. Let them see the numbers; they sure aren't going to let citizens talk -- unless you call them. Thanks for letting me voice my opinion.
By Anonymous, at 9:54 PM, October 26, 2005
What is legal here? Councilman Blevins is an employee of the City and
the Mayor is his boss. So-- can the Mayor use pressure on his employee to get Councilman Blevins to vote for the
$3.00 fee that the Mayor wants to place on the residents of New Albany?
Is it true that Blevins is going to be
the one to bring this item back to the table for a vote?
LEGAL-- LEGAL--LEGAL ? ? ? ?
By Anonymous, at 10:21 PM, October 26, 2005
Things is, just talked with Councilman Blevins. Listen to this (sorry, Donnie), he did not know about the meeting until last night when "Tim Dietrick" phoned him. Then Councilman Gahan called him this morning to let him know about the meeting (no vote being taken was mentioned to him); then the City Clerk left a message on his machine (again) with no mention of a vote being taken. Donnie was assuming this was an information meeting about Stormwater. Until, Price told him it was meeting for a vote to be taken on that other ordinance that was defeated Thursday night; then his son brings in the newspaper and shows him. According to him and Mr. Kochert, the Mayor has yet to telephone them. According to Mr. Coffee, Ms. Crump won't be there. So, if the two people who ABSTAINED DID NOT BRING IT BACK TO THE TABLE, IT'S DEAD. Now, if someone is "lieing" (gosh, I hate using that word) to the taxpayers and citizens, there are no rational nor sane words I can speak at this time. Did you catch who called Councilman Blevins FIRST? C.R.A.P., boy, you nailed it to the wall. They must think we are STUPID, and me has a feeling you HAVEN'T seen anything yet. FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY... The taxpayers WILL NOT PAY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE ANYMORE. GTH
By Anonymous, at 10:30 PM, October 26, 2005
contrary to what you may think, Councilman Blevins votes the way he thinks is best for the city and does not check with the Mayor or the Speakoutloud crowd how to vote before a council meeting, so the next time you call him Laura and Yvonne, now if someone is lying (gosh I hate to use that word)I apologize.
As a candidate for Vice president once said to the "potatoe" Veep Dan Quayle, "Sir I knew Jack Kennedy and you sir are no Jack Kennedy"
Maam I know Donnie Blevins and you maam are no Donnie Blevins
By Anonymous, at 11:17 PM, October 26, 2005
After retrieving the report presented to the Sewer Board LAST YEAR, that WE PAID for, the report had already identified for the Stormwater Committee all of the watersheds; all of the areas tested and where potential and existing problems would/could be found.
Then, I find this article, thanks to my right hand, and you need to link on the CJ, Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2001 and read about the $1,000,000.00 they spent on STORM DRAINS then. The report I read mentioned an awful lot about sewers impacting some of our existing problem areas; we were told of existing sewer problems in the meeting Thursday night; and now this article. If that don't put the frosting on this cake -- I don't know what does.
Mayor, my ? to you is this: You, the sewer board, misapplied 'TWICE' two EDIT payments of $270,000.00 each to a "BOND" (who knows what bond), for a total of $540,000.00. We asked you how you were going to pay the EDIT monies back to the inner-city maintenance fund the City established, that you MISSPENT, and you shrugged your shoulders at me. You know who I am, and I'm realllly tired. You wanted my help, supposedly, then "poof", I was a bad guy. YOU, my sir, are getting really bad advice, and that's all I have to say.
And, "THAT'S MY OPINION"!!!!!!!!!!!
By Anonymous, at 11:19 PM, October 26, 2005
TO ANONYMOUS:
DONNIE BLEVINS IS MY COUNCILMAN; I TALK TO HIM AS "MY" POLITICAL REPRESENTATIVE AND NEVER SAID I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN HIM...GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT SIR. Somebody play twisted sisters for me about rite now, please?
By Anonymous, at 11:21 PM, October 26, 2005
u afraid timmy they will catch who called blevins first. how did you know before my elected officials? C.R.A.P.
By Anonymous, at 11:23 PM, October 26, 2005
and you are cmparing donnie blevins to jfk, or me? Wow, how flattering. Hitting sme nerves, are we. Amen. God Bless.
By Anonymous, at 11:25 PM, October 26, 2005
If you asked me, they're caught in their own tangle of lies. "My what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive" -- didn't they teach you that in school -- oh, that's right -- C.R.A.P. Just my opinion.
By Anonymous, at 11:27 PM, October 26, 2005
Blevins is council at large that means he is everbody's councilman, have another miller lite
By Anonymous, at 11:33 PM, October 26, 2005
GIVE THE MAYOR HELL CONCERN TAXPAYER. HE NEEDS THROWN OUT OF OFFICE. YOU GOT MY SUPPORT.
By Anonymous, at 11:46 PM, October 26, 2005
After much deliberation and consideration, I have reached this conclusion, hopefully standing on its own merits. If the sewer board IMMEDIATELY needs more monies (WHICH WAS MISAPPLIED to fix the work they didn't do (why we haven't heard from the EPA yet, folks); the $540,000 in EDIT funds that was misapplied and HAS TO BE PAID BACK per Council LAW; alot of the now problematic areas found last year by Mr. Gonder, Mr. Vigar & Corey Earl identified sewage as some of the potential problems areas. But yet, these are where some of "their" stormwater problems seem to be popping up. Let's see. We just said they DID NOT FIX the SEWER PROBLEM IN THE INNER CITY and now have too (immediately and durn, they spent all their monies). We just said they HAVE SHOWN BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE, helped prepared by the very people who sat on the Commitee last year whose work determined that some of the "illicit" discharge is from the lack of SANITARY SEWERS and CROSS-CONNECTIONS (sewer pipes hooked in with storm sewers), not STORMWATER. Last night, Septic Tanks had to be added back into the new ordinance because FMSM was under the impression ALL of New Albany was on sewers. EMC represented, at least twice, that he could not say that ALL houses in NA were hooked to sewers. He even identified straight pipes he knew about running over Silver Hills.
For the good news, education was advised for alot of areas in town. This is truly a fascinating document. Looking at your watersheds, seeing companies that need help; looking and fixing erosion problems if they're causing a problem with our creeks or waterways. Helping to change our planning and zoning laws as the county did, updating them since I don't know when. It's a great environmental project/civic that ALL of NA should stand behind, and hey, volunteer to do. Thanks for letting me ramble (like you had any choice!).:)
Let's go, I'm just getting warmed up. Got it? Just my opinion.
By Anonymous, at 12:11 AM, October 27, 2005
Do you really think the City will pay the Sewer Dept. back?
Not if the Mayor is playing with the $$$$$$$$...Think about it.
This is typical NA C.R.A.P.
By Anonymous, at 12:29 AM, October 27, 2005
poorABSOLUTELY!!!
I spoke with CM Blevins myself this evening, and concur with the 10;30pm commentor. Donnie told me the exact same thing. TIM DEATRICK was the first to call him and notify him about the "Special" meeting on Friday. Donnie didn't recieve word from Gahan until this morning, and didn't even know the meeting was for another vote until Steve Price called him this evening. This is NOT Donnie's fault. He had no idea what was up.
As far as I'm concerned, the Mayor has thrown Donnie under the bus this time. Garner has laid this whole mess in Donnie's lap as being the one who wanted to change his vote. CM Blevins hasn't spoken with the Mayor, and the first he knew of the Mayor wanting to speak to HIM, was when he read it in this evenings paper.
Shame on you Garner! You should be ashamed of how you abuse people.
Donnie wants some answers, and by God we're going to give him answers that are FACT.
Believe me when I say... this will indeed be a "SPECIAL" meeting. Hang on tight folks, we're goin' for a ride and it might get a little bumpy here and there, but we will reach our destination.
Too many illegal activities have occured along the way for us to just continue to ignore.
We will be there Friday, and we will be fighting for our rights, and for what is right.
As for the Twerp timmy d., you're an embarassment to this city.
And that's MY opinion!!!
By East Ender, at 12:36 AM, October 27, 2005
The Citizens Stormwater Advisory
folks should be totally outraged with what the Mayor is trying to do.
Tell me this town isn't corrupt?
Stop screwing with my money "Mayor"
CT you call it like you see it.
By Anonymous, at 12:40 AM, October 27, 2005
Ya'll, he's eating it up. Let's eat him up...don't get mad, you know... Shut them up with the facts. The lap dog may fall asleep with deaf ears as he always does... And, that's my opinion, oh by the way, maybe we can get IU to ship him somewhere to bore some trees. That way, he can use his blank gun. I feel like John Stossell, "gimme me a break".
By Anonymous, at 12:55 AM, October 27, 2005
Guess timmy boy was at the chili supper.
By Anonymous, at 12:55 AM, October 27, 2005
LOL
By Anonymous, at 12:58 AM, October 27, 2005
If these idiots downtown only knew what is about to happen.
It's time to carry signs and protest.
Let's throw them all out of office.
Concern taxpayer you just say it so well.
Thank You
By Anonymous, at 1:03 AM, October 27, 2005
If he was, we probably would have all KNOWN about it by now. u know how small NA is -- out one ear and in the next with only a slight variation. The life in a smalllll town where everyone is related to someone. Love it. My opinion, ya'll.
By Anonymous, at 1:03 AM, October 27, 2005
C.R.A.P. called it so right uh..
By Anonymous, at 1:10 AM, October 27, 2005
As a member of the Storm Water Advisory Committee, and I will try and restrain myself and I can only speak for myself, OUTRAGED isn't even the word you can use to describe how YOU might feel. Mr. McCormick received an invite, why not the Committee. Yes, it's public, but public can't speak. The hours spent, the monies spent gathering the doucments (truth), the discussions with Council and meetings and official Council meetings. Laura is right. Friday is going to be a bumpy ride. It should SPEAK VOLUMES. At least I know who all to call, IMMEDIATELY. Thank you blog for the information. My tribune didn't come til 5:00. That's my opinion. I feel like apologizing, but, can't find the words to even speak objectively to the WRONGNESS being perpetuated upon the taxpayers/citizens. Livid would be an understatement at this point in time. SHOUT OUT LOUD NA. Thanks for letting me share my opinion. AND I'M SURE OTHERS MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY, I stated earlier, I am speaking for myself and one person...before you go off your rocker. Again, my opinion.
By Anonymous, at 1:13 AM, October 27, 2005
As the Donald would say:
Your fired...
By Anonymous, at 1:27 AM, October 27, 2005
Yep Timmy boy at chili supper. Covered it for NA RAG BLOG.
He needs to get a life.
Guess will be running into Timmy boy this Fri.
Desn't this guy ever shut up? I got several friends who work in the City County building. Mr. Mayor on the elevator was asked if he ever read the blog. His reply was: Yes but I never read it! i also heard he was commenting on the C.R.A.P. comments. Not bad for someone who doesn't read the blog?
By Anonymous, at 1:44 AM, October 27, 2005
Yeah right,
We know they're all reading this blog. Parts of it fall out of peoples mouth before they realize they've given their secret away. It's funny to watch their faces.
What's NOT funny is watching them take my money away from me and give it to Garner. It's either to fix something he screwed up, or to give him another salary.
Not anymore. Enough is enough.
His ineptness is obvious, his greed undeniable.
In my opinion.
By East Ender, at 2:26 AM, October 27, 2005
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By Anonymous, at 3:23 AM, October 27, 2005
The Mayor has called the Tribune and I hear it's front page news; haven't got mine yet. No committee members notified; how many Council people will be able to attend; more importantly, how many TAXPAYERS can attend? Where was the Mayor when taxpayers were at Council meeting Thursday? Where was the Controller, as required by law? This is total BS.
Maybe that C.R.A.P. article pushed him over the edge...but just because they have 8 salaries coming out of our "sewer" slush fund that should not have been -- in order to circumvent the General Fund -- do I feel sorry for them? H*** no; do I feel taxpayers should get kicked because of it? H*** no; do I feel Garner should have known about this at LEAST last year; rather than almost 3 years into his term? H*** yes!
How many taxpayers do you think can attend this meeting? How many Commitee people do you think don't work and who haven't been notified? It's not like this issue wasn't called out at Budget Hearings. I AM TIRED OF THE BS. IT'S OUR MONEY, what part of that do they NOT UNDERSTAND????? BS
By Anonymous, at 3:25 AM, October 27, 2005
Can taxpayers speak on Fri?
By Anonymous, at 7:57 AM, October 27, 2005
poor proglodytes! and pitiful little timmy!
since they cannot find anything positive to write about Super Jimmy, they're forced to write about white chili.
if it wasn't so pathetic it'd be funny. little timmy, permanently banned from the bar, desperately trying to find acceptance somewhere, anywhere!
i'm surprised the progs would encourage his stalking, aren't you?
By Anonymous, at 8:58 AM, October 27, 2005
yeah first the cold war then this. nothing good to say about Jimmy.
By Anonymous, at 9:18 AM, October 27, 2005
keep your ears to the ground. there is alot in motion right now.
By Anonymous, at 10:36 AM, October 27, 2005
Unfortunately, No, Taxpayers can not speak on Friday, unless Garner SAYS THEY CAN. To me, the issue died on the floor, 4 nos, 2 abstentions, and 3 yeas. The two that abstained claim they are not bringing it back up. To me, this thing is dead and this is nothing but a sham. Have seen alot of things die on a 5-4 vote; and they never came back to haunt us. IT'S B.S. Garner cannot stand the monies were found until the Storm Water Committee can get it on the tax rolls, so it's fair. TO ALL TAXPAYERS, YOU CAN SUE OVER THIS IF IT'S PASSED, BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CAPTURE VACANT PROPERTY, AND YOU CANNOT HAVE A LAW THAT ONLY TAXES CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS AND NOT ALL. Please, somebody, remember that. That TIF money was meant for that; that's one of the reasons the General Fund is so short, etc. TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY TWICE FOR GARNER'S LACK OF CONTROL OF THE SEWERS AND HIS FINANCIALS. But, that's just my opinion. Sorry for yelling, but the frustration in our household knows no limits right now. Thanks for asking.
By Anonymous, at 11:18 AM, October 27, 2005
uh, there are people on this blog who have run for office. and they've gotten more that 10 votes.
of course, you're new and wouldn't know that, or much else, for that matter.
By Anonymous, at 12:47 PM, October 27, 2005
Of course, the people posting here who're now screaming about the results of a 3-4-2 vote were perfectly happy to persist in attempted sabotage of Scribner Place, which continually was approved with majority votes.
By Anonymous, at 1:01 PM, October 27, 2005
Glad some people are telling the Mayor off. He needs to start packin. Great job CT, you say what were all thinking.
By Anonymous, at 1:34 PM, October 27, 2005
Here's the real issue folks...
This meeting is illegal according to Indiana Codes 30.15 C-1&2
and 30.23 F&G.
That's just the beginning. I am working on a new posting to further explain, but this meetig has been illegally called!
That's more than my opinion, that's the LAW!
By East Ender, at 3:48 PM, October 27, 2005
I just love Concern Taxpayer comments.
What a truly kick ass, tell it like it is person.
A true champion for us taxpayers.
By Anonymous, at 4:10 PM, October 27, 2005
Tell them, Concern Taxpayer and East Ender, tell 'em how it is. Someone is suppose to protect us from them holding an illegal meeting on taxpayers. Having heard what I've heard today, the people in NA are getting ready to learn the hard way, or should I say in a way they don't want to know, as to what is REALLY UP FRIDAY.
Tribune, commend you on your scoop on the sewer vandalism article. Did you take that nice long walk back behind the Hampton Inn and figure out a way to cross the creek (without getting mud up to your knees and wading through waste & water sometimes waist high) enabling you to see what looks like "Old Faithful" at times? In My Opinion, I Find That Too Coincidental That Vandals Played A Role Here, my opinion. Having been told by media that stories about sewers, etc... aren't sexy enough for readers; how does one scam after the other?
This blog is going to turn into being one of the most wonderful thing/tool that has happened in NA for a long time. The information will flow freely; and so will it's ideas -- whatever they may be. It will enable the people, its Citizens, to voice and not fear the retaliation so selectively enforced in the past, and presently.
The smoke screens went up today, but that's okay -- it's simply smoke & mirrors. Where's the real fire? Glad you asked! In the sewers' financials. Who is Chairman of the Sewer Board, the Mayor. Who sits on the Sewer Board and the Council, Mr. Seabrook and Mr. Kochert. Watch and learn. Diversions, my dear friends, diversions. Talk with you later...
By Anonymous, at 4:52 PM, October 27, 2005
it's illegal according to the law firm of stupid, lite weight and antagonist.
By Anonymous, at 5:05 PM, October 27, 2005
the bad news is when the City Clerk didn't mail written notices or hand deliver them in writing to my council man, instead of calling them on their cell phones, this meeting is not legal. There are two other issues, but Laura named them.
And how does anyone know if public can speak if no agenda was mailed and a councilman thought this was simply a stormwater "discussion"? Keep on diggin. Wake up and smell the coffee NA. Usually don't drink it after noon, it may be required by 3.....
By Anonymous, at 5:11 PM, October 27, 2005
illegal with the epa, u mean. :)
By Anonymous, at 5:12 PM, October 27, 2005
wonder who sabotaged the lift station/ Could it be someone who wants The EPA to investigate the city?
By Anonymous, at 5:19 PM, October 27, 2005
City Code states that if a council member has intentions to change their vote to the "MAJORITY" vote (4 nay), they may bring this issue before the NEXT REGULAR scheduled Council meeting and it should proceed any other business on the agenda. No SPECIAL meeting shall be called.
Furthermore, the Clerk is mandated by Code to notify Council members in writing either in person or delivered to their homes. NOT calls on the phone.
Go to www.amlegal.com - select "library" on top bar - select Indiana - select New Albany
Enter code number 30.15 & 30.23 in the "search" field (independently)
and read it for yourself.
By East Ender, at 5:23 PM, October 27, 2005
here go the diversions again. first they accuse us of throwing a brick through a window and now they are insinuating we caused their sewer problems that just happened. you have better imaginations than most of us. write a book.
By Anonymous, at 9:27 PM, October 27, 2005
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