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Monday, September 26, 2005

Stormwater Drainage Fees: Important Information

Thanks to Mr. Maurice King, another concerned citizen, for his vigilance in protecting the public. I have recieved interesting information regarding the new Stormwater fee that will soon be assessed to our water bills, and there are many people who have questions and concerns about this new cost, and the Committee meetings that will take place to discuss the details.
Therefore, I am posting some very important facts.
No matter what you may think of this blog, it is in your best interest to read the following:

I am on the storm water drainage committee, which is a dog and pony show. They want to ram the interim fee structure through which would equate to appox. $504K a year for Residential, $311,040K Commercial, $22,320K Industrial, $48,240K Institutional for a total of $885,600.00 appox. income for the first year, and hypothetical expenses of $676,950.00 for the same year, all for Management Related Expenses.
This leaves appox. $233,650K to go to actual drainage projects!!!! This is unacceptable. Also, how are they going to guarantee this fee will be paid by all and not only a few without consequence. We need to take action!
This additional fee to all residents in the City will be next to impossible to stop, because of the Federal Mandate, but we must be sure what is put in place will be fair to all, and will be paid by all (emphasis added).

Upon further questioning about this Stormwater Drainage program, Mr. King sent the following, which I found quite interesting:

It is a federal, as well as a state, program. I will quote a small section of one of the handouts we received, quote: "The City is required, by way of the federal program known as 'Phase II' and the state program known as 'Rule 13', to develop, document and implement a Storm Water Quality Management Plan (SWQMP)".
I verified this by calling both the EPA and IDEM, but I also found that the deadline is May 2006 before any possible action can be taken by the State.
At the first meeting I also found out this Committee first started meeting last year, and had their last meeting in Oct. 2004. Now they want to ram it through and I have a problem with that. Supposedly, this is mandated for all cities and counties in our state and other states as well.
My primary concern is that the Administration, from the Mayor on down, be better stewards of our money and pursue those among us that do not pay their way, (ex. delinquent sewer, garbage, etc), aggressively.
The hearing notification is another good example of this administrations lack of concern and/or desire for citizen involvement in a decision which will affect them for a possible lifetime!!! Oh sure, they have met their legal requirement by placing the add, but how many people read the Legals, and especially on Sunday in the Tribune. Why was't it on the front page of the Tribune and in the Indiana section of the Courier? I'm waiting to see if it is in the Monday's edition of the Courier to inform those that do not take the Sunday Tribune.

So, here is the information about the meetings:
The next meeting is scheduled for Monday, Sept.26th at 6:15 pm in the Assembly Room on 3rd floor City County Bldg. I feel it is imperative more residents get involved in this process.
As the notice states, " interested public stakeholders are welcome". The $3.00 per residence is just a starting point. Who knows where this final fee base number will stop!!
If just a couple of representatives from each neighborhood association would attend we would all hear the same thing and could relay this to our fellow taxpayers.
Again, Monday night at 6:15PM, in the assembly room on the 3rd floor of the City County Bldg., a storm water advisory meeting will be held, and you are invited to attend and offer your ideas.

50 Comments:

  • How many other new fees does the City Plan to hit us Taxpayers with?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:39 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • If this is a "back room deal", why is Mr. King on the committee?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:15 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • Guess the Mayor is ruining out of money? Maybe he got a spot on his new floor mats!
    Tell me he isn't a crook?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:40 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • QUESTION-- Is it true that a $70,000
    contract already exists for this project for planner and engineer?

    Where could we find this information?

    Who is in charge of this project now?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:44 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • Yes, Taxpayer, around $70,000 to $75,000. This Stormwater "deal" is going to be a big rub with taxpayers. We agreed we have to do this because it's a unfunded federal mandate. The problems arise when you want to talk about how to make this even across the board to ALL property owners.

    The Mayor hasn't been able to get a list of sewer customers; trash customers, etc. Our suggestion was (and we talked to the state) was to have the County put this fee on the Property Tax Bill and that way we can get VACANT propety. VACANT property doesn't have sewers, trash, etc.

    We'll see tonight how it goes. Thanks for putting the info out, Maurice, and I'll see ya tonite!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:54 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • I was told Yvonne Kersey ask the Mayor to be on this Board?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:56 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • Waiting for an answer Mrs. Kersey?

    Did you ask the Mayor to put you on Storm Water Drainage Committee?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:33 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • QUESTION

    Did the Storm Water Committee approve the $70,000.00 Contract?
    And when/where did they approve it?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:23 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • To Anonymous,

    Yes, I did ask the Mayor if he would appoint me to the Advisory Committee, as I received requests from elected officials and my fellow citizens to get involved because of taxpayers sewer work.

    What difference does it make -- I am not complaining about the four hour meetings we have been having - were you there? No, that's right -- the public that did show we PUT them on the advisory committee too, due to lack of taxpayers' interest.

    Sorry, anonymous, that it took me so long to answer your anonymous questions. Have a two year old grandbaby here needing my attention. Take care and hope to see you tonight! :)

    To the other Anonymous, the contract for $70,000 or $75,000 was awarded by the Sewer Board for FMSM and their consultant we are working with. That contract was put in place last year, and evidently renewed again this year.

    All questions answered? Good - have a good day:)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:41 AM, September 26, 2005  

  • Thank you.

    The walk's a noble cause, indeed.

    RAB

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 1:17 PM, September 26, 2005  

  • Anonymous,

    I also called the Mayor's office sometime in June and expressed an interest in being on the committee after being made aware of the committees existence by a Council Member. I received a letter invit-
    ing my participation on July 13th. from the Mayor's Office.

    I cannot speak to the initial $70,000 spent by the City on the first phase of the SWQMP, but at the present time a request for another $70,000 is waiting for Council action. This request came before the Sewer Board at their meeting on August 16th,2005 and was presented by Mr. Chad McCormick
    with FSMS in the form of Appendix A.3 Scope of Services, it was decided it would be a loan from Sewer Utility to the City. It was then transformed into a Resolution (R-05-25) to be presented to the City Council. It was on the August
    18th agenda, but was tabled at that
    meeting and has not been removed from that status to date.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:32 PM, September 26, 2005  

  • Just a P.S. to my previous post. I'm sure you are well aware of the lack of notification being posted in the Courier-Journal today of the two public meetings to be held Tuesday 27th and Wednesday 28th to discuss plans for the long term financing of the SWQMP. With no Tribune being published on Monday, hopefully it will be published tomorrow in the Courier and Tribune!!!!!!!!! Why are they not wanting the people to be involved and informed as suggested by out-
    side sources??????

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:05 PM, September 26, 2005  

  • wasn't the Buddy Walk last weekend, the 24th at Community Park?

    By Blogger jon faith, at 7:56 PM, September 26, 2005  

  • So, what you're saying is... the Sewer fund is making "loans" to this newly mandated Stormwater fund, and this is the 2nd year they've done so?
    But, the actual start date is not until May of next year.
    Therefore, the Sewer fund, which can no longer "subsidize" the Sanitation fund, is indeed subsidizing an FMSM Stormwater fund, in terms of "loans", that aren't required to exist at this time.
    Furthermore, action to form the actual Committee for this new fund was started only about 60 days ago.
    Thankfully, we have a couple of very positive citizen representatives in Yvonne and Maurice King sitting on this new Committee. A chance to get political operations into public view.
    Somebody out here is bound to be smarther than Garner! So, we better pay attention.
    Thanks to both of you for paying close attention.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 12:21 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • Anybody know what this is about from the Destinations website?

    Notice to All Destinations Booksellers' Customers

    Due to technical difficulties beyond our control, our ability to serve you expeditiously will be slightly hampered in the next few days. Just a note to our customers for when you are stopping by or calling in to the store.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:08 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • Thank you, Shirley, for the info on the Downs Syndrome Buddy Walk.

    I am shocked at the snide remarks some
    people have made about Downs Syndrome
    having short legs and walking slower.

    Sad- sad and sick of them to joke about this sad condition.

    Parents and relatives of these handicapped children need all the love and support we can give them.

    In fact, it is sad and sickening that we have people in New Albany who could be so low as to JOKE about
    Downs Syndrome people in our community.

    This clearly tells us of the mentally of those people who are trying to upset the City of New Albany right now.

    Yes-- those people have reached their goal. THEY HAVE UPSET ME!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:57 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • I want to thank the anonymous person who took up for the handicaped people.

    You are right, they are sad and sick when they make those remarks about
    Downs Syndrome victims. I have friends who have a Downs Syndrome child. A loving, innocent child.

    Perhaps, we should plan a Progressive Walk to help those people who would stoop so low as to make those remarks.

    They are sure showing their lack of human kindness and their mentality.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:05 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • I know for a fact that some of COFFEY'S PEOPLE have been posting mean things on here. I heard them talking about it and I don't care if they know I told.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:12 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • I think they were making fun of the "little people" on the blog, not handicapped kids.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:13 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • I don't know who this Progressive bunch is or where they came from.
    Many of us have lived in New Albany a long time and I have never seen such a bunch like this in New Albany before.
    What are they trying to do? I don't
    understand their motives. Is it true that they are strong supporters of the
    current Mayor?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:40 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • ANONYMOUS, ALL I KNOW IS THAT THIS
    PROGRESSIVE BUNCH KEEPS BASHING THE
    LITTLE PEOPLE. THEY MUST HAVE PRETTY LOW ESTEEM IF THEY STOOP SO LOW AS TO
    MAKE REMARKS ABOUT DOWNS SYNDROMES.
    WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY TRYING TO DO HERE IN NEW ALBANY? THEY SHOULD JUST MOVE ON TO SOME PLACE THAT WILL
    TOLERATE THEIR BEHAVIOR.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:46 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • What is this a full moon? The total idiots are loose on this blog. There attack downs syndrome kids and concern taxpayer on The peoples Voices. This blog belongs to the people and shame on you mental sick-o's.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:34 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • Does anyone know who these Progressive people are? Do they show themselves in public or do they just hide behind the name Progressive on public postings ?

    The public needs to be aware of this
    new element that has arrived in New Albany.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:51 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • To the Progressives.

    How many other small towns have you tried to take over?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:52 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • Here is the progressives web site:

    http://www.cfponline.org/

    The About section has a list of members

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:55 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • The progressives are a group of misguided newcomers who don't really have a clue what's going on.

    this sort of ignorance is what Garner and company depend on.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:09 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • So some one here tell me why its okay for concern taxpayer to call the mayor an idiot and make racist comments about Mr Toran but not okay for some one to say 'chill out'?

    What you don't seem to get is that your unleashing as much hatred as you claim to be seeing in others. Now every one you don't like is a progressive, just like everyone the nazis didn't like was a jew.

    I think even nonbook readers know what happened next. The little poeple in germany carried out the orders.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:15 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • So which is worse: a hateful little person or an ignorant progressive?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:44 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • Anonymous

    If you got a damn beef with me. Then just come out and say what you got to say. It's pretty damn bad when a person is sick that there phone keeps ringing because some idiot/idiots on this blog wants to attack me. Bring it on.

    I am far from being a so called "Racist". Think it if you like. But the people who know me know my character, and my real passion for truth and justice!

    And Jimmy is an idiot. Weither you agree with me is your right. But under my "RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH I AM CALLING HIM AN IDIOT!

    He has mismanaged the taxpayers money. And people are fed-up with his B/S. Why don't you just tell me what all Mr. Mayor James Garner has done for the Taxpayers of New Albany?
    Because people do not agree with you. It gives you a right to attack them! Attack me but back it up with real facts.
    And then You freaks attack someone who walks for Downs Syndrome kids?
    And implies they are a liar about it....Shame on you!
    The Mayor and his Adminstration has basically ask the Taxpayers of New ALBANY TO PUT BLIND FAITH IN HIS DECISIONS. And we have sat back and took it. And we are not going to take it anymore. The decisions he has made is going to affect us for years to come. As when he is out of office in 2008 the burden will be put on the people of New Albany. Who bust their asses and plays by the rules!
    The Little People of New Albany are fed up and pist off at what is being done TO ALL OF US!!! From Sanitation Workers to the personal attacks on Mr. Bill Schmidt and Mrs. Anna Schmidt. Not counting the so called Gang of Four.
    When the Council can vote and pass laws and this Mayor thinks he doesn't have to play by the rules. Makes alot of people mad. And there is no one who works downtown who is above the law!!! When you are an Elected Official and you do what this so called Mayor has done. Do you really think people need to lay down and roll over because they were voted into office? Hell No!
    You nor anyone else is going to stop "Speak Out Loud NA" from allowing anonymous postings or Comments. Now your all getting nervous when Laura has formed a Concern Citizens for Democracy Group. You attack her and other people. And then you make fun of Little People of New Albany. We are not all poor Uneducated people. WHO DON'T HAVE A BRAIN. Regardless what you or others might think. This Mayor has caused this City to be divided. And the progressives have played along. But if you truly believe the people of New Albany are going to continue to take this crap you are totally mistaken.
    I know more than likely as many wealthy People in New Albany. As any of you do. They are hard working people as well as business people. Who I do respect and admire. But also in turn respects me for the person I am and things I believe. And they are also considerated the Little People of New Albany. Their words not mine. So continue attacking me but let's get back to the real issues. And that is for the Betterment of all the people of New Albany. Not just a choosen few!

    footnote: I do have a job in fact a couple of them. And I also think this blog is layed out very well with the color Pink! At least I got the guts to say what many people are only thinking!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:46 AM, September 27, 2005  

  • Bravo Concern Taxpayer.. We all hope you feel better. Especially all your many friends!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:04 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • Ms Baird:
    My error on the Louisville Buddy Walk. as you likely know, the Buddy walk for new albany was last weekend. i didn't infer anything pejorative by that notice.

    By Blogger jon faith, at 12:11 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • Me thinks you hit the nail on the head, Concerned Taxpayer. They are REALLY getting nervous that there is a new group forming they will not be a part of. Shout it from the rooftops if necessary!

    Hope you're feeling better, too. Take care.

    Too, let's not forget about the Storm Water and the new "interim fee" for the public hearings at Slate Run Elementary from 7 to 9 tonite and Green Valley Elementary from 7 to 9 tomorrow nite. Hope some can come, even though it was not covered in the newspaper, except under legals.

    Was glad to see Melanie Hughes and Marty Hankha(?) (Al Goodman & Associates) at our meeting last night. More to come.

    And, thanks again Laura, for letting me share with whomever may care (little or big). :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:13 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • hey, thats the whole point, because if you sign your name, then people like concerned taxpayer know wehre they live ... how many times has someone made a threat here? and if its okay for concerned taxpayer to call garner an idiot and not the other way around, what kind of double standard is that?

    Isn't that why concerned taxpayer got kicked out of the city council meeting that time?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:18 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • So, uh, Shirley, do you mean that any one who doesn't sign their name is a coward?

    If so, you'd seem to be in agreement with a lot of other people on those other blogs.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:30 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • Our family has received numerous threats over the years, from different administrations, for speaking our minds. The last time we checked, we were suppose to be able state our opinions freely, without worry of retaliation. Some of us have had to get the Sheriff of the County to cover our backs when the threats were leveled. Guess you've never been on that end before. My bet is you will get there, because you can't make everyone happy ALL the time and sooner or later you, too, will say something that just eats away at them and then you too, will experience what others have.

    This didn't start with this administration, but is an ongoing recurrence with certain officials. No, I am not going to get into the name game, but I certainly understand people's hesitancy in putting their names out there.

    There is a saying, I think from Dame Judith about women sufferage, that says something to the effect about the two rules that make you a successful politician (I saw this in the Tribune) 1. Never make the voters mad, and 2. Never make the press mad. Hard rules to follow if you don't play by the rules. As I said before, you just can't make everyone happy. You have to follow your heart and your conscience and see if you are big enough to listen to other people's views. I've always been taught that even the most lowly person may have something to say, if you just take the time to listen.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:44 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • To Anonymous,

    About the Concerned Taxpayer "kicked" out of the City Council meeting...that would be hitting home at my husband, Frank Lucchese. He did not get "kicked" out, he was asked if he wanted to leave and he said "sure thang -- he got his two cents worth in during public speaking".

    I am sure when he comes in from work he will be pleased he is being tagged with being the Concerned Taxpayer some people are SOOOO worried about. Anyone who knows Frank knows he is laid back until it comes to the rights and wrongs with government. He, and the rest of the audience that night, were upset because Council was not following proper procedure and the audience was being blamed for being out of order, while Frank felt the Council was out of order. That was his call, and he is still glad he left. Frank says what he wants to say at the podium directly to the public and to the Council. He still maintains he was not "kicked" out. He chooses to say he chose to leave, at the suggestion of the Chief of Police, because he could not tolerate what was going on.

    Thanks. Hope this takes one more name out of the guessing list of who CP is. Most of us are concerned taxpayers, and you could say HE IS CONCERNED, just not on the blogs. Take care!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:03 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • pist off?....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:48 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • Thank you Yvonne, and Frank for standing in there and taking one on the chin.
    All of us who have been around here for a while, have taken a hit or two...or three, from the "Progressives" (gee,I hate labels!), that's just the way they want to be...above us.
    I agree with everything Concern Taxpayer said, except, I do get that no one was slamming the handicapped to start with.
    Everything else that's been said in this string has been correct and well said by the people who are using this blog for it's intended purpose. To discuss.

    If anybody wants to remain anonymous here, that is their right, and the "P's", all 10 of you, can just shut up about it.
    Enough jabbing at people who are mad as hell to begin with!!
    There are a LOT of angry people in New Albany, and I suggest you start showing a little respect for the "little people". We 'ain't so little anymore.
    Frank Lucchese's outburst was the starting call for this movement to solidify.
    You better be worried.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:22 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • is all you people do is attack, nice

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:06 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • You all are a bunch of friken idiots! The whole lot of you dont have the brains God gave a goose!

    You all attach each other like a pack of jackels, with no care or concern if your statements are lies or truths! In fact, you can't handle the truth! If you knew the truth it would set you free, and you guys don't want freedom, you want everyone to feel sorry for you! You want to have your cake and eat too!

    Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who died here that the nation might live. This we may, in all propriety do. But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have hallowed it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.

    It is rather for us the living, we here be dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth."

    THINK ABOUT IT!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:05 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • Wow! Martin Luther King, Marie Antoinette and Abraham Lincoln all rolled into one neat message!

    Politics sure makes strange bedfellows.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:15 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • Laura,

    The only words left we can think of are the lyrics to the tune "Desperado", by the Eagles.

    :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:40 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • From my Information the City is going to take the billing back from Indiana Water. And attach additional fees on the bill so they can make more money off of us taxpayers. Put the billing out at the new Waste Water place?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:58 PM, September 27, 2005  

  • Gee, what a speech.
    I think we have a very frustrated reader (I think he even got a little Jack Nicholson in there).
    It's a shame people get themselves in so deep, that their panic button isn't hard to miss.
    Go ahead and quote who ever you like, anonymous, I hope you feel better, but lay off the insults.
    You have no basis for insulting the intelligence level of people who comment here.
    I would lay money most of them could make more intelligent decisions than Garner.
    If you are so frustrated, go away.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:11 AM, September 28, 2005  

  • did they ever think that there was such a low attendance because it is hardly publicized?

    They choose to keep the public at bay.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:35 AM, September 28, 2005  

  • Laura, Tried to reach the Tribune at 8:30 AM this morn, but they had already put the paper to bed. The meeting tonight was posted for Green Valley in the Courier Journal.

    Hope to see all of you there.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:06 AM, September 28, 2005  

  • Could this be another way to get more money from the Taxpayers of NA. This so called drainage fee? Why has this just came to light?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:15 AM, September 28, 2005  

  • yeah- then everyone can see what an backstabbing bully DAN COFFEY is!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:00 PM, September 28, 2005  

  • Meetings on 25???--Ain't gonna happen again. Count on it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:56 AM, September 29, 2005  

  • Is it me or is their others in this town just fed up with Garner?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:16 PM, September 29, 2005  

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