Speak Out Loud NA

Monday, October 03, 2005

THE NEXT TURN OF EVENTS.

THE TURNOUT FOR THE PARADE WAS EXCELLENT AND COVERED A LOT OF TERRITORY. WE NEED TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING BY MAKING A STATEMENT AT MONDAY NIGHT’S CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

Bring your signs and bring your voice to the Council meeting Monday evening to object to the proposed resolution to assess additional fees to the public for “Stormwater Drainage”. ALSO, SHOW SUPPORT FOR OUR SANITATION WORKERS. no PRIVATIZATION!!!

Our illustrious Mayor Garner has once again demonstrated his inability to make an intelligent decision by fast talking his way past public scrutiny with the “new” Stormwater drainage fee that we’ve been hearing about.
The administration has neglected many opportunities to discuss this issue with the public, and the City Council, when enough time was still left to decipher the full ramifications of this proposal to meet EPA mandates.
They waited until time was short to execute the public meeting requirements, and now there is once again an “urgency” to pass the proposed resolutions.
The resolution(s) seem to bleed over into other areas of interest to the Mayor. For example, the salary he may be able to boost for himself as Chair of the new, New Albany “Stormwater Board”. Of course, there will be pay available for a couple of buddies too.
CM’s Seabrook, and Dan Coffey have apparently been tapped, as they were present at the recent meetings.
It is also common knowledge that Sewer Board Attorney Greg Fifer is advising this new proposed entity of “Stormwater Drainage” (present at public meeting in such capacity), and is the also the same Attorney that has represented many developers in the County who have had difficulties getting major developments approved due to problems with the current Sewage constraints (re: Tribune 12/13 & 12/17 of 2003).
Could this be a conflict of interest?
Now, here’s the straw that is breaking the backs of the citizens of New Albany…..
For now, let’s keep this real simple so the entire constituency might understand;

Garner and his boys are telling us this is a nonnegotiable mandate by the State, the EPA, and IDEM, and there is just no discussion needed. Still, they went to all the trouble of presenting a very nice PowerPoint presentation, and distributing a lot of nice pamphlets and paperwork. However, the most impressive things on those papers were the numbers.
The bottom number of all the papers and computer screens was a resounding $800,000 for the new Stormwater Drainage fund. Which, by the way, Garner said he wants to operate as its own stand alone entity of which he himself would be the Chair of, with another salary. Of course, a separate entity would require staff, and thus… salaries for that staff. When I questioned the Mayor as to how much of the $800K fund was for administrative costs, he answered “none”. The administrative costs haven’t been included in that outrageous number.
Now, and here’s the kicker…can anyone explain to me why and how the County is accomplishing the same mandated requirements for a mere $200K?
In the County, only Developers are paying any fees towards this Stormwater fund, while EDIT funds and Riverboat revenues are being utilized to cover the rest. No fees are being assessed to the general public.

This proposal needs a lot more questions answered, and a lot of research. More information will be forthcoming, as I acquire more documentation.

50 Comments:

  • Would the Mayor get paid for being the Chairman of the new proposed Stormwater Board in addition to being paid for being Chairman of the current
    Sewer Board in addition to his Mayor's salary?

    Isn't there any control as to how many
    salary additions the Mayor can get?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:27 AM, October 03, 2005  

  • SEWER BOARD: WHO IS ON THE SEWER BOARD NOW? WHAT ARE THEY PAID TO GO
    TO THE SEWER BOARD MEETINGS?

    IS THIS CORRECT?

    MAYOR CHAIRS SEWER BOARD--GETS PAID

    MAYOR CHAIRS STORMWATER BD.--GETS PAID

    IS THAT WHY WE WILL HAVE TO PAY THIS
    NEW $3.00 MONTHLY FEE ON OUR SEWER BILL AND COUNTY IS NOT CHARGING THE
    COUNTY PEOPLE A MONTHLY FEE?

    WE CAN NOT AFFORD ANY MORE FEES.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:34 AM, October 03, 2005  

  • You can't afford any new fees, yet you are willing to pay 50% more for garbage pick-up......you people really are lost aren't you??....you can't even figure out which side of the argument you are on.....every time you open your mouths, you contradict your last statement....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:04 AM, October 03, 2005  

  • What role does Councilman Coffey play in this Stormwater thing?

    As a resident of the West End, please tell Coffey that his residents can not
    afford any more fees added to our bills.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:15 AM, October 03, 2005  

  • STORMWATER FEES ON DEVELOPERS

    County 9-29-2005
    Fees will be based on the amount of disturbed acres associated with the project.

    The fees shall include inspection for perimeter control, grading, and storm water quality management permits.

    Disturbed acres are defined as the area of the project in which the surface of the land is disturbed by excavations, embankments, land development,residential lot contruction, mineral extraction and moving, depositing or storing of soil, rock, or earth, or other earthmoving activity.

    Developer delivers application
    and plans to Planning
    Commission for:
    * preliminary plat approval
    * PCP
    * SWMQP
    - Must also Submit NOI to IDEM

    County Spot Checks & Complaint Response.

    Planning Commission:
    * Notice of Violation
    * Civil Penalities
    * Revocation of Permit
    * Compliance Order

    Planning Commission and Engineer's Office Responsibilities:
    * Collection of plans and permit fees
    * Enforcement
    * Technical oversight
    * Preliminary and final plat approval

    This is the layout for the County's plan.

    The fee's are paid for by the Developers. Not put on the backs of the County Taxpayers.

    This County plan will cost around $200,000.00 -Handled through the Planning Comm. And fee paid by the Developers Not the Taxpayers!

    This plan will work!

    Mayor Garner's Plan
    I'll make this very Simple to understand Taxpayers and Citizens of New Albany:

    Charge Citizens each $3.00-$6.00 or more a monthly fee.
    Cost of Mayor's plan: $830,618/Year

    So what plan really makes sense? (The County Plan)

    AN OPEN LETTER TO: Mayor James Garner

    Jimmy just a personal note to let you know I haven't forgotten what you promised me and the citizens of New Albany when you ask us to vote for you:

    Garner said: He wants to bring what he calls fiscal responsibility and a business-like attitude to the city. "In bad economic times, we need to tighten our belts," Garner said. 'We need a business attitude that is customer-friendly." (August 01, 2003)


    Garner said:This adminstration has not managed the taxpayer's money properly! Garner also went on to say The only crossroad in front of the city is vote for his campaign or a vote for City Budget Bankruptcy! (Sept.25,2003)

    "My vision for New Albany is a realistic one" (Oct.01,2003)
    One that a community can embrace and attain for the betterment of our city. Overall, Garner said the current administration has spent the taxpayer's money "Irresponsibly" over the last four years, something he said he will change.
    As well as his business background has prepared him for. (What?)

    And as always I try to save the BEST FOR LAST! (Jan. 2,2004)

    Garner said: "We're entering an era of respect,"Dr. John Reisert said Garner serving as mayor will mean a new cooperation between the City and the County!

    Garner also said he would spend the next four years serving the citizens of New Albany with respect, honor and integrity.

    We are a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, "I will not let you down."

    Mr. Mayor: Work with the County on the Storm Water Quality Management Plan! Put the fee's on Developer's as well as put it all in the hands of the Planning Commission.

    You have truly failed us Taxpayers & many Citizens since you have taken office.. And you wonder why were upset?

    Concern Taxpayer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:43 AM, October 03, 2005  

  • God Bless you Concern Taxpayer. It made alot of sense in the two different plans. Who do we call to voice our thoughts?
    Thank You

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:24 AM, October 03, 2005  

  • God Bless you Concern Taxpayer. It made alot of sense in the two different plans. Who do we call to voice our thoughts?
    Thank You

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:24 AM, October 03, 2005  

  • COUNCIL MEMBERS PHONE NUMBERS ARE LISTED ON THE CITY WEB PAGE. THE CITY
    COUNCIL VOTES ON THE $3.00 FEE AT THE
    COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT.

    CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
    COFFEY 949-1262 OR 797-8347
    SCHMIDT 945-7386
    PRICE 941-9032
    KOCHERT 945-7652
    CRUMP 948-2603
    GAHAN 949-9314 OR 987-3262
    BLEVINS 944-4856
    MESSER 949-9638 OR 727-6809
    SEABROOK 944-9644 OR 439-2201

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:54 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • This seems to be a bad habit the Mayor has. Trying to get my hard earned money out of my pocket. What is with this guy?
    You can never reach him to complain about nothing.. I'm so fed up with Bubba Garner

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:59 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • CONTACT MAYOR JAMES GARNER

    PHONE- 812-948-5333

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:21 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • To Laura---- Thank you, for telling us what about the new $3.00 fee that the Mayor wants to drop on us.

    I am so disgusted that we do not have a local newspaper that will print the news and tell us up front about the new proposed $ 3.00 monthly FEE.

    NEWSPAPER REPORTERS-- WHERE ARE YOU?

    HASN'T THE MAYOR GIVEN YOU PERMISSION TO TELL US THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO GET A NEW $3.00 MONTHLY FEE DROPPED ON US?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:39 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • From the info I am getting it's $3.00 or $6.00. If not more added on later on. This is another way for Garner to generate pocket money for his perks!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:15 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • My info given to me today. Mayor Garner has plans to Privatize Sanitation come January 2006.
    As well as top Democrats are very upset with Garner.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:48 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • It truly breaks my heart the division in our City. It seems the last three Mayor's have made out like Bandits at the expense of the people who elected them.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:58 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • How many of the Boards does the Mayor sit on? And how much does he recieve in additional salary?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:47 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • HOW MANY BOARDS DOES TONY TORRAN SIT ON?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:26 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • HOW MANY BOARDS DOES COFFEY SIT ON?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:44 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • The Mayor was told, by Mr. Fifer, the law at the Green Valley Elementary School public hearing that if we, the Stormwater Advisory Commitee decided this would be a stand-a-lone board, because we knew the Sewers had to rid theirselves of it, and that the new board is required by law to consist of the Mayor as Chairman, a real Professional Engineer, and an appointment from City Council. That was put in under the IC codes we were talking tonight in one of the ordinances we had that it would still be under sewers.
    Don't think I quite got the point across this City knew this was coming in 1991; had GRW come in and we drew up a stormwater master plan - complete with aerial photos, all lakes and streams mapped, etc. We just don't know why the projects listed weren't done nor what happened to the monies -- but that's a horse of a different color. Why should we pay for it twice? I can understand the Mayor not knowing this info exists downtown because this occurred in 1991-1992; but we do have people down there that SHOULD HAVE known. We may not be talking with them.
    Seeing we have the other two ordinances we have to pass (copies from the County that need tweeked); I think, with Stormwater Advisory Committee agreement with this next meeting, we could submit all 3 ordinances at the next Council meeting. Why reinvent the wheel.

    Hope we explained well tonight, to you citizens and taxpayers. Kind of hairy stuff -- know what I mean? Nor pleasant, but public service usually isn't!

    Tonight Council heard us, and I feel progress was made here. Thanks for letting me spout, Laura.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:21 PM, October 03, 2005  

  • Mr. Deatrick:

    The SWAC has to go back and use those maps and compare the changes; we have already agreed upon the facts the data has changed and has to be remapped. The point was the map created for the public hearings is the same map created by GRW in 1992 (aerial photography, with a list reflecting the SAME problem areas found at that time -- not any new ones yet).

    Please, I know you were appointed to the Storm water committee tonight, but please wait and see what the SWAC has or has not talked about -- we would appreciate it after the hours we have spent on it. Thanks for your patience in waiting on the next meeting to become truly informed of what we have talked about having to do and what data has been duplicated that we can use. Thank you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:10 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • I understand business like Walmart and others will only have to pay $15.00 month?
    What will taxpayers actually have to pay?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:42 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • A map is a map. The topography of New Albany hasn't changed. What has changed is the amount of development and in particular, the surface area now covered by what hydrologists call impervious surfaces. I think some of the drainage board members need to do a Google search using the search words--impervious surface or study some of the big drainage problem areas like Atlanta and determine what they are doing.
    http://www.cleanwateratlanta.org/Stormwater/Project/Projects.htm

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:20 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • My question is:
    How do the following Council Members sleep at night?
    Jack Messer
    Beverly Crump
    Dan Coffey
    Gayhan
    Blevins
    Kochert

    They are so in the pocket of the Mayor they have lost sense of the needs of the people of New Albany.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:45 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • Dan Coffey?

    Huh?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:14 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • IN HIS POCKET???
    Do your homework---Kochert hates garner---sometimes his hate blinds him form making votes to help the city--(since the broadus firing) and Gayhan is the one who put the committee together to keep garner from getting another 20k for heading the sewer board when he first took office---there were a lot of harsh words exchanged there.
    blevins--in a tough place has openly voted against the mayor's wishes--risking his job.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:27 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • Anonymity

    People of New Albany may be concerned about Political or economic retribution, harrassment, or even threats to their lives.

    Their are several Whistleblowers in New Albany this City would prefer to supress.

    For these individuals you have earned many others respect for truly standing up for what is right. Secure anonymity is critical.

    The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the right to anonymous free speech is protected by the First Amendment.

    As the Supreme Court has recognized, the Internet offers a new and powerful Democratic Forum in which anyone can become a Voice in their local Cities and Towns. As well as a Voice in local Government.

    So I ask each and everyone, what has some people in New Albany got to hide. Let alone Mayor Garner and other elected Officials and the local Bandits.

    Thank You Laura
    for
    "Speak Out Loud NA"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:02 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • TO TIM: I this, and I that... Tells alot about a person when all they can do is talk about "I" and preface all statements with "I". Didn't they teach you THAT in school? Looking at the other blogs and your postings today about how great thou art, guess not. Good luck!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:09 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • SEEK THE

    TRUTH,

    ACCEPT THE

    RISKS.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:48 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • Laura

    Just keep fighting the good fighting, and expose the corruption.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:51 AM, October 04, 2005  

  • legal beagle.. Who has the money and courage to take on this bunch?
    It seems like alot of elected officials got lots to hide.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:03 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Corruption in NA nah.....
    Just Greed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:14 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • S-O-R-R-Y There is no Freedom and Justice for all in New Albany.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:28 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • tim: What the hell have you ever stood up for. Are you telling us their is no corruption in New Albany? The people of New Albany are being suppress.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:34 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Tell him Gayle! Now we know why he's been posturing and retracting some of his nasty statements about the Mayor from this blog. He doesn't understand because he has their or that mentality "it's all about me" No one else matters.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:49 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Tough crowd, Tim.

    But they don't have to make sense, 'cause they're the little people. Of NA. And they've had. Enough.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:21 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Welcome to munchkinland.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:46 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Tim,

    When you are done blowing your own horn about your scholarly back-
    ground, tell me, do you have any common sence? I've seen some of the Grantline High wizards that couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions printed on the bottom of the heel and/or balance their own checkbook. A lot of the little people have had a better form of education, it is called the school of hard knocks in addition to your so called book smarts!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:21 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • I beg to differ when it comes to IUS. I graduated from that institution and now make 6 figures. My wife is a teacher (a damn good one) with a Masters from IUS. And look around you, little people, your last doctor probably graduated from IUS, your last dentist probably graduated from IUS. Your kid's current teacher was probably trained at IUS. And Mayor Garner didn't graduate from IUS. Tim Deatrick graduated from Bloomington with an MBA from IUS. I don't think some of you little people could pass the first course at IUS.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:56 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • And believe it or not, your ring leader, Laufa Oates, the perp, works at IUS. I hope she's not using IUS public institution time or computer equipment to run this poor excuse for a public concerned citizen forum. This is nothing but a political action group.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:01 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • You forgot one, Anon, your nurse at the hospital probably graduated from IUS.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:19 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Tim-- You can't seems to make comments witout attacking Valla Ann. And now you attack Laura? What's the purpose. It really makes you look bad. When their is alot of people that know what really happen. I think your an ok educated guy. But cut the crap on the ladies....I agree with you on experience. But knock the crap off on the others ok........buddy

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:21 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Mr. Tim

    You need to clean your act up with these women of New Albany. Your kinda rough around the edges. And you leave yurself wide open when you start poppin off about certain people. Be cool now....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:30 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Thanks everyone for explaining the more technical aspects of the dilemma we face now.
    I will again assert that this administration is not, and probably never will be, making good decisions.
    The Advisory Committee that Yvonne and Maurice are volunteering on have a lot of information that would make this whole thing work easier and cheaper, but Garner is not listening to them.
    Our good Mayor also stood at the Council podium and told a flat out lie when he said Monday night was the first he knew of himself chairing this new "Stormwater Board". He was aware of that last Wednesday night at the public meeting, and documents were distributed to that effect.
    He also admitted Wed. night that the administrative costs of this thing is not included in his $800+K proposal.
    That makes 3 City salaries our Mayor is drawing.
    I guess cleaning out the pockets of the public is something taught in the Dry Cleaning business.
    Oh, that's right, what Dry Cleaning business?
    Garner has bankrupted his own businesses and we are going to stand aside and let him keep doing it with the City? I think not.
    There is a better way to do this thing, and a Steering Committee was put in place for a reason. Please, Council Members, do not allow Garner to push through another bad plan.
    How many people wondered what happened to Cory Earl, our previous quasi-engineer? He worked on this with the County. Where is his work, and where are the CAGIT dollars going?
    Many questions left to answer.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:51 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • I saw the sign at the parade-
    James Garner is taking this town to the cleaners. Our family talked to the nice sanitation workers. And gave them our total support.
    My sisters family also saw a beautiful little girl holding a Valla Ann for Mayor sign. For a Better New Albany. We do also support the rights of the people of New Albany. We just feel so betrayed by this Mayor.
    Thanks for giving us a place to speak.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:11 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • There is no reason for a fee for stormwater on residential property in the City of New Albany. As Mr. Kochert said last night, raise the commercial rate up 2 bucks and then put just one on residential. Raise it 3 and put NONE on residential. Is 3 even worth the stamp and piece of paper and cost of billing it? Must be that "new math" I didn't get to take in school. Most of all, why is New Albany behind the eight-ball and had to get two extensions so they wouldn't get into trouble? Someone needs to check sewer records and find out why the Mayor originally let this firm go and hire his own person in-house. County is ahead and has already hired an employee, Kevin Vetter to "administer" the County's through Planning. Meetings and legals have ran informing all impacted, like builders/developers, of what is expected of them. Anyone?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:42 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • Get a life Tim. Not everything is about you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:30 PM, October 04, 2005  

  • At least Tim puts his name out there for all of you to take potshots at.
    The fact is the mayor is doing a good job--much better than those individuals running this blog. I've studied the archives and believe the previous poster is correct. The owner of this blog does in fact work at a public institution and has on occasion responded to her own blog during work hours. This is clearly a violation of university policy. It doesn't surprise me then that she called for a public demonstration without a permit. Those saying that IUS graduates can't pour urine from a boot without directions are sadly mistaken. My lawyer is an IUS graduate; my dentist and my doc. My daughter was taught by teachers educated at IUS.
    BTW, I came from the school of hard knocks too. My mom and dad were killed in a car wreck when I was 13. Drunk driver. I was raised by my grandparents and another African American family.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:09 AM, October 05, 2005  

  • IUS IS OK--Talk to people that split time and they will tell you bloomington is harder--it was for me and my son and my daughter---a lot more reading was required and a lot more work----that said, IUS is not totally on a level playing field---they do not pay enough---my sister (PhD) said she could not afford to teach there---you get what you pay for ----there are some very good profs there I have had a few--but overall they could do a lot better. There are quite a few high school teachers picking up extra money teaching there.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:50 AM, October 05, 2005  

  • I am also a proud graduate from IUS(3.5GPA), and previously worked at the University's Applied Research & Education Center, and did Supplemental Instructing in Sociology.
    I am NOT, in fact,currently employed with IUS, just to set the record straight.
    Can we get back to the issues now?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:27 PM, October 05, 2005  

  • 3.5==2.8 ON CAMPUS

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:03 PM, October 07, 2005  

  • This is Cory Earl
    (502)210 3394
    jcoryearl@direcway.com

    You are all missing the boat. The PLAN...GET IT, PLAN is due.
    NOT and ordiance requiring fees. A PLAN. The plan was complete presented to the Sewer Board.

    E-mail me if you want a copy.

    The Mayor and the Good Ole Boys at FMSM/JTL are adding things right off the bat to make the project larger than needed.

    My point: N.A. will have to establish a method to pay for SWC improvements, but it is not required to be an ordiance until after your plan is submitted and approved. A plan is just a plan.

    1)We will do this (PLAN)
    2)IDEM approves
    3)Within a period of time you react to your commitment.

    Saying the drainage fee is required to meet IDEM and EPA regulations is total BS!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:57 PM, October 10, 2005  

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