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Thursday, December 01, 2005

SAVING SANITATION IS POSSIBLE

THIS POSTING WILL BE ADDED ONTO OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, AS I HAVE TAKEN TODAY TO REVIEW A LOT OF PAPERWORK, AND A LOT OF NUMBERS, AND TALK TO A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE REAL KNOWLEDGE IT TAKES TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
IF OUR "MAYOR", MR. GARNER, WANTS TO REDEEM HIMSELF, EVEN A LITTLE BIT, HE WILL LISTEN, AND GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO SAVING OUR SANITATION DEPARTMENT, AND THE WORKERS JOBS, ESPECIALLY AS WE APPROACH WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE GIVING TIME OF YEAR. MERRY CHRISTMAS' DON'T COME WITH A PINK SLIP.
The Sanitation Union has submitted a bid to continue providing service to the City, and we would like to add some additional things to consider about the advantages of retaining our existing crews and how the department can function in the black by making some very basic changes in the way things have been done.
As we have been looking very closely at the sewer department situation lately, and hearing that a rate increase is "unavaoidable", the costs attributed to supporting sanitaition services have risen to the top. Looking closely at these costs, it has become evident that the mismanagement of several key decisions about procedure have obviously led to the exorbinate yearly budget that has been espoused by some of the Sewer Board members.
For example, we have been lugging loads of trash to a landfill over off Fern Valley Road, rather than using the landfill opportunities right here in town. Not only are there major differences in costs of dumping, but with gasoline prices at thier highest point very recently, this method is all but just plain stupid.
Secondly, we have been paying a company to take what bit of recycling material we manage to collect, yet there is a local company that would actually pay us for recyclables.

21 Comments:

  • turn out the light the partys over now thats talkin trash

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:21 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • Laura, don't we all hope so? Being a Democrat, and proud of it, one of our principles is to support the working man and union.

    Well, I got curious the other night (you remember how curiosity killed the cat), and I Googled the Progressive Party. This name has been mentioned several times in my presence and I felt I needed to learn more about this "party".

    After studying a little about when the Progressives were founded and under whom, a link appeared showing a Progressive now in office in Vermont. This led to a link to the Vermont Progressive Party. The platform of the Progressive Party, to me, was fascinating.

    It states they are the "left" side of the Democrat party. They believe in non-urban sprawl, as do I; they do not believe in the death penalty (that's all of our choice to make); and the most fascinating thing to me was they SUPPORT UNIONS, as a good Democrat should.

    Now I ask of you, where is the local "Progressive Party's" support of our Sanitation Union? The leanings of this local "Progressive Party" seems to be the other way, based on their articles, their refusal to look at facts, and their lack of history of this City of New Albany.

    As a Democrat, I may now understand this new rhetoric of the "new" Democrat Party, not the Floyd County Democrat Party. I do not need someone to ask me on a form why I am a Floyd County Democrat. I am a Floyd County Democrat because I am a Democrat, and I live in Floyd County. I do not belong to a "new" Democrat party, I belong to the Floyd County Democrat Party, and very much unashamed to state so.

    After much debating with myself (like others we won't name), I have decided I must not belong to the left side of the Democrat Party, called "Progressives".

    Somehow, I feel better about all of the knowledge I acquired in helping me determine what a "Progressive" is, and what their "platform" is. I then wonder why they don't support the Union.

    Wonder how the "Progressives" in Vermont would feel about these NA Progressive's representations of the people of New Albany?

    Part of being a Floyd County Democrat is trying to figure out who is a Democrat and who is a Republican in Democrat clothing just to get elected, because we are such a "Democrat" kind of town.

    Thank you for letting me share my thoughts about Democrats, Progressives, my thoughts, and what I had hoped all Democrats believed in -- the working man. Proof is in the pudding, I guess. Also, thank you for letting me voice my opinion. Hang in there Sanitation, we luv you! We know you can be saved, and we know you should; and as a Democrat, I am stunned by this Democrat Mayor's actions. Opinions only.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:46 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • There seems to be some confusion. I've checked my wallet, and I can't seem to find any evidence of a "progressive party" mebership card, although after looking through my concience, there's certainly a progressive post-it note or three there.

    (1) To my knowledge, there is no local "Progressive Party" as such. However, there is a loosely grouped local progressive movement.

    (2) Using the platform of an organized political party in another state to somehow measure the compatability of a non-party in New Albany is at best apples and oranges, and at worst intellectually dishonest.

    (3) To use the muddled reasoning of the preceding to infer that the non-existent platform of a non-existent party is the same platform as "new" Democrats goes a bit over the edge of logic. The progressive party in Vermont is different from the progressive movement in New Albany, and the progressive movement in New Albany doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Democrats. What about Libertarians? Greens? You seem to be confusing a term that describes a mode of thought with one that describes an organized political entity. They may be the same, but they also may not be the same.

    (4) In a country where a minority of working men and women belong to unions, must one support a union to support a working man? Do you mean to imply that all working men should belong to unions?

    (5) Speaking personally, "after much debating with myself," I'm quite satisfied to continue being a political contrarian with progressive leanings, who will vote with Democrats to defeat the common enemy but will not be drawn into declaring political kinship with those who will brandish one solitary issue among many -- as you have done with the union reference -- to define a platform.

    Good statement of principle. I'd love to discuss it over a beer. You, and all the others, know who I am and where I am, so drop in some time.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 10:24 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • The unfettered greed of many years in New Albany.
    Slipshod management practices, inattention and a lack of safe guards for the citizens. Inevitably led finally to plain, old fashion corruption.
    I ask all to come to grips with the dreadful nature of public corruption and it's conquences to the people of New Albany.

    Let's put Mayor Garner and Tony Toran on the back end of "Big Red" the $250,000 Sanitation Truck for a month let them see what "Real Work" is.

    I Support New Albany's Sanitation workers!

    Valla Ann for Mayor 2007

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:38 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • New Albanian, Sorry if I offended you; could have sworn you had some people calling theirselves Progressives.

    1. I am glad you are a loosely knitted group.

    2. My fault. Usually do compare Democrats and Republicans on a national level, supposedly having the same platforms. Naturally did the same for the "Progressives" in NA. The "platform" issue is simply one I look at whether you are an Independent, Libertarian, Democrat, Republican, whatever...
    It may be apples and oranges, but Democrats are Democrats and we support Unions and the Working Man and Woman.

    3. In my muddled reasoning, I find the Green Party's platform pretty much uniform throughout the Country; have several good friends in there. Glad to hear the "Progressive" movement here doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Democrats...we'll see, won't we?

    4. Interesting. No. I am saying the principles of the Democrat party support the Unions. I can support working men without them being in a Union, but I am truly a big Union supporter. No doubt about it. My opinion. You're allowed yours.

    5. The "union platform" is what is at issue here, the sanitation workers. I support the sanitation workers, and I support the Union.
    You are allowed your opinion, too.

    It is with great appreciation I receive your invite for a worthy debate; but alas, I feel they would be in vain. It may be too late.

    Thanks for standing up for your principles, too. Appreciate your response.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:49 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • agin legal bagel, where is the corruption? Prove it, oh thats right you cant because because your info comes from the schmidts, speakoutloudmouth and valla gonna lose annie

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:49 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • anonymous 10:49

    Tim...tim...tim...

    Did someone move your food bowl?
    Your getting awful cranky tonight.

    a floyd county democrat,
    Great article yvonne.

    Legal beagle,
    You said it all.... BUDDY

    Our family Supports the Sanitation Workers

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:32 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • The corruption that is running our city into the ground is so obvious that anyone who proposes the lack of such could only have their head buried in the ground, or up someone's a** is more like it.
    The sanitation workers sure have my support. If the mayor has any credibility left with the people of this town he better use it to save sanitation.
    I know a lot of people who are saying this is the last straw for them. At Christmas no less. Geez.

    newalbanian, evidently, any logic, other than your own of course, is consistently branded by you as illogical. Why is that?
    How could anyone want to discuss anything with you when you are always the only one who is right.
    Kirk Singh sure has you pegged.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:46 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • The New Albanian

    I think you meant "membership" instead of mebership. Since you are an excellent writer and speller I know you will appreciate the constructive criticism.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:48 AM, December 03, 2005  

  • alot of folks have the progressive gang of four.... pegged right!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:50 AM, December 03, 2005  

  • Sorry if it offends some of you that I wasn't offended by FCD's remarks.

    I believe he or she understands that there can be no discussion without such a give and take, which we succeeded in accomplishing in a small, but rewarding way.

    When someone like Mr. Singh begins the discussion by saying that he doesn't intend to have a discussion, it's easy to see that there can be no discussion.

    Too late for a dialogue? Not at all. Just take off your mask.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 10:30 AM, December 03, 2005  

  • New Albanian,

    Unmask? I am as unmasked as they come, you just don't know it yet. It was decent to have a civil discourse, and I did feel the undercurrent of - how did you express it - somehow we offended someone by expressing our differing views, yet in a civil manner.

    For me, it is to late to have a discussion over a brewsky about sanitation. The numbers are out there; the admininstration seems hell bent on privitizing -- no spirit on my part left for a debate.

    We are simply trying to hang in there to keep this service for the citizens and keep these people employed. I believe, as Laura, it can be done. Hopefully, we can beg to disagree on that issue, also.
    That would be just my opinion, of course.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:33 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • at three dollars more a month, sorry but i thought you people said NO to any more fees

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:48 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • Go away Timmy. You're not paying the bills, we are.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:21 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • Since when did it matter what the citizens/taxpayers thought about any fees, our property taxes, Scribner Place, shall I go on?

    Haven't felt my family's voice is being heard. And, I don't recall anyone saying they would not support an increase in sanitation; if nothing else for inflation purposes. You read into it what you will; keep that negativity with your bad self. Are you the Mayor that you would ask a question like that in that manner? You act like you are, me thinks you're not. OUR OPINION.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:24 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • There are HUGE differences between fighting against am unfairly applied fee that only SOME property owners will have to pay, but not all.
    Plus, the $3 is openly only an "interim" fee, which will increase after 12 months.
    Given the Consultanat's prediction that business fees will increase 70%, what do you think our REAL fee will wind up being?
    This isn't about a measley $3... it's about the principles behind it, and the expected "regular" fee.
    It was also objectionable that a new PAID Board will be set up to manage this "department", headed by the Mayor, and adding $300K to the costs.
    So take your jabs about the fee and take a hike. You obviously dom't understand the entire issue. eMust be over your head lil' Timmy.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:42 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • "Unmask? I am as unmasked as they come, you just don't know it yet."

    Are you afraid of reprisals ... or are you the one who'll be leading them?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:04 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • Bayard, I wouldn't worry about it. It's too soooooonnnnnn......

    Have a good one.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:52 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • Leave Timmy alone. His mother needs to feed him and put him down for his nap.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:29 AM, December 06, 2005  

  • to the Floyd County Democrat:
    It might be good to take a refresher course in English. There is no such thing as a "Democrat Party." This is Republican speak.

    The word Democrat is a noun, not an adjective. What you want to say is "I am a proud Democrat (noun). I belong to the Democratic (adjective) party."

    Dont lower yourself to speaking like an uneducated Republican.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:39 PM, December 07, 2005  

  • Geez, some of you people need to get a life.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:20 PM, December 13, 2005  

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