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Monday, June 13, 2005

Crystal Clear

I want to thank Ed for taking one on the chin for us by apologizing for his offending remarks. I do hope that this is an indication that he understands the existence of this blog is markedly different than the others, and that it's all for a reason.
The people of this town have hit a wall of frustration, and are demanding answers and accountability. There has been an audible outcry for a place to talk, to exchange information, to ask questions, to come together in an unthreatening environment.
If anyone would try to argue that assertion, then explain why there have been up to more than 130 comments on any one post. Others have had 30, 50, 60 and more. Still want to say this blog wasn't wanted, needed, or appreciated?
Therefore, I also take Ed up on his assertion that life is just too short to waste time slinging nasty personal attacks around when there is so much real business to get down to doing.
So, let's get back to business.
In anticipation of staying on track this time I am officially asking that Mr. Baylor (the new albanian) and "bluegill" please refrain from utilizing this blog.
Both have made their views and opinions very clear, crystal clear, and I regret that the discourse could not have taken a more respectable path.
Mr. Baylor has a blog, and has no reason to be using this one- unless he's looking for an audience. Political influence? Who's to know?
As for bluegill, you have had more than your share of opportunities to "speak", but have over-stated your opinion, and over-stayed your welcome. Politician? Too close to call.
In any case, this blog is for the citizens of New Albany.
I don't need to know their name. I'd just like to know what they think.


  • I would also like to add to your comments: Baylor does also have his own agenda. And like you have said he needs to go back to his own blog and write his attacks on you and our comments.. He just refuses to believe "The reason people left his blog" is because people are tired of his crap! He thinks he is so right,and everyone who does not agree with him is wrong. bluegill: Must be an extension of this Adminstration. And again it is his agenda to let us know that we seem to not be smart enough to ask questions of our Council Members? Do research, pull City Council minutes.Look at past voting records on the issues, Attend meetings and ask questions. We the many people like you are looking for answers. And tired of seeing the taxpayer getting screwed. The little people of New Albany will not continue to take this Adminstrations "BULL". And we will continue to stand up and demand to be heard. Thanks Laura for giving us a place to voice our opioions. And say how we feel.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:33 AM, June 13, 2005  

  • Laura: You think you have been questioned and attacked. Get ready for Baylor and his traveling band of minority brothers. his blogs goals seem to be to represent This current Adminstration. And challenge "Anonymous people", and attack you and the many great citizens of New Albany. So bring it on Baylor and band of brothers. Were watching and waiting for your next attack.

    By Blogger One voice, at 5:52 AM, June 13, 2005  

  • jebi se

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:15 AM, June 13, 2005  

  • Madame I think you just made matters worst in not allowing, Mr. Baylor and bluegill the right to post.

    By Blogger parish, at 8:46 AM, June 13, 2005  

  • Laura you said, “The people of this town have hit a wall of frustration, and are demanding answers and accountability.” This is really nothing new for this city. As far back as I can remember there have always been questions with very little answers from the political machine of this city or county.

    There were questions when Bob Real, Chas Hunter, Doug England, and Regina Overton were in office. The only difference back then was the public had no way to voice their opinion other than a letter to the editor of the local paper, and even so the newspaper was very selective in who was allowed to speak and who was not.

    With the invention of the digital information highway we all now have the ability to express our views, and we let each other know how we feel, our likes and dislikes of local politics. This is a good thing! However, restricting who and who can not be allowed to express an opinion is no better than the ways of previous editors of the “Bune”.

    You should let everyone have the right to speak freely here, not just the few that have their own agenda. You already allow anonymous posting, while others have tried to persuade you not to allow it, this being your blog, you have stood your ground, and so be it. Mr. Baylor and the others only post to energize the conversation, in reality it is the ones that take the bait, hook, line and sinker to respond in character assassination or pointing fingers at each other that really need to read the post, sit back and take a deep breath, and then decide if they really want to continue in the mud slinging tradition of local politics.

    So, please allow everyone opportunity to post to your blog, if indeed you feel that a slanderous accusation has taken place that would put you the owner in jeopardy, then by all means remove it. But, just because one person shade of red is not the same as yours is no reason to censor.

    As for my agenda, I am not running for office, my goal in life is to make a comfortable living and getting more customers to walk through my front door. My desire is not to make friends or enemies by posting, but to as you say enlighten the masses with my opinion on local politics. In fact that is about all we do in these postings is present our opinions; very little real information makes it way to these blogs! And by that I mean, if a poster wants to disseminate information here or on any other blog, they should be required to back it up with name! Even if only you, the owner, has the name, that would be more acceptable than just blanket anonymous post.

    Remember every four years we get the chance to over throw the government! GO VOTE!

    By Blogger Rick Carmickle, at 9:00 AM, June 13, 2005  

  • Laura: We agree with your courage to
    allow the taxpayers/citizens to speak and ask questions. It doesn't take a masters degree to see that some posters want to make long statements to take the space
    on your blog site away from the citizens.
    Thank you, Laura,for your courage.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:53 AM, June 13, 2005  

  • Thanks, Rick and Gene. You're true gentlemen, a quality that won't go unpunished here in the spitwad blogyard.

    Indeed, Laura, let's be crystal clear about this: Strictly speaking, you're trying to make this appear to be a request for Bluegill and I to voluntarily self-censor our inclinations with respect to free speech.

    It should be noted that this isn't the case at all. In fact, you are forcibly removing us. The pathetic implications of this are noted today at NA Confidential.

    Because you, Laura, are the one ineptly but quite intentionally seeking to "regulate" a free market in ideas, and in such obvious violation of the precepts that are central to the American way of life, it follows that you, Laura, are the one wielding the axe, at least insofar as I'm concerned (I won't speak for Bluegill).

    Bye bye, anonymites ... unless, of course, I elect to take a trip on the dark side and evade these asinine sanctions by crossing the threshold anonymously myself.

    How will you muzzle free speech then, Laura?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 11:40 AM, June 13, 2005  

  • If you feel that a slanderous or defamatory statement has been made, bring a lawsuit.

    If you feel that you have been disrespected, people will be anxious to stand and be counted openly (and not anonymously) in your defense. The comments they make will be judged accordingly by the people who read this website.

    If you limit any citizens right to speak in a forum built to "exchange information, ideas, and openly express their views and opinions," you will find your credibility will be limited, your relevance limited, your audience limited.

    Enthusiastic, healthy public dialogue depends on the choices we make every day; whether we choose to participate, choose to ridicule, choose to encourage, or choose to stifle. I hope you'll show some real courage and allow everyone to participate.

    By Blogger Luke, at 1:16 PM, June 13, 2005  

  • Give 'em hell, Laura. Lady, you run for city council again, and I'll vote for you this time around.

    By Blogger H.L. Mencken, at 3:17 PM, June 13, 2005  

  • "Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one."

    - Henry Louis Mencken

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:28 PM, June 13, 2005  

  • The 80:15 posting was one for the ages. Whomever graced the page with those two words left an enduring and multifaceted tool of the serbo-croat language: quite applicable with the present company.
    New to your blog, it doesn't sound exactly frustrated. . .? The citation of tally of postings in a boastful manner is also an exercise in relativity -- but a good start nonetheless.

    By Blogger jon faith, at 8:44 PM, June 13, 2005  

  • Mr. Carmickle,
    I appreciate your comments and do consider them quite wise. It is true that every administration has had its own share of mis-deeds, frustration, question making, and were indeed protected by the limited ability of the public to express their views and opinions.
    However, we live in the age of technology, and we should take full advantage of such an opportunity.
    I don't mind others with opinions different than my own, or those of other participants. Indeed, that is a hope I have had for this blog. That ALL opinions be heard.
    I do mind others who are insistent on rudeness and name calling, and I won't have it here.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 12:45 AM, June 14, 2005  

  • Laura thank you for making this firm decision regarding: (the new albaian,bluegill) Regardless of the blame/attacks Mr. Baylor places on me: "The Concern Taxpayer" I'm only one of many concern taxpayers of New Albany. When I'm being attacked were all being attack. And we have a choice to which Blog we want to be a part of/listen/speak too. We are the little people of New Albany. We do need to hold their feet to the fire on these issues. Scribner Place, Property Taxes,Bond Money,Sewers,Drainage Problems,Code Enforcement. We have a Very Serious Council Meeting coming up This Thursday. We need to be there in force. And we need to demand to be heard. We need to ask the hard Questions. And keep asking questions until we have the answers. I am totally in favor of an Investigation.

    By Anonymous Concern Taxpayer, at 1:56 AM, June 14, 2005  

  • I think I saw concern taxpayer and the rest of you guys out front that one night with the progress signs - pretty cool, and I'm glad I found your web site.

    By Blogger H.L. Mencken, at 8:16 AM, June 14, 2005  

  • What is it that concern taxpayer has against free speech? He wants to have it both ways, I believe. He's right about taxes, but he's wrong about telling others to be quiet. Just my opinion, you know.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:21 AM, June 14, 2005  

  • Who's Laura? Is she east ender? I didn't know she was into politics before. Hey, there may be a few spaces open for you next time aorund.

    By Anonymous ed norton, at 12:30 PM, June 14, 2005  

  • Laura is east ender, she is with us, the "little people", just like concern taxpayer said before.

    She uses little words we can read, and writes little stories that the taxpayers understand. I hope she runs again, we need more like her.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:22 PM, June 14, 2005  

  • I also want to thank Laura for creating this blog. She writes in plain English that everyone can understand. She also creates an atmosphere which makes people comfortable to express their ideas.

    I can only speak for myself, but this "little person" is greatful.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 4:35 PM, June 14, 2005  

  • This blog was created as a format for the citizens of New Albany Indiana to exchange information, ideas, and openly express their views and opinions, about life in the city and the current state of our governmental administration that directly affects the quality of life here.

    Can someone tell me what part of that excludes Roger from participating here?

    By Anonymous Richard Rush, at 11:04 PM, June 14, 2005  

  • You must be new here, because you called him Roger and not Baylor.

    He got banned because our moderator feels that his opinion as a literate citizen carries less weight than others. In short, if you disagree here with folks like concern taxpayer, who can't use adjectives properly, you're rude.

    Read this one fast, Mr. Rush. It'll get zapped by the Oates thought police by dawn's early light.

    By Anonymous little people got no reason, at 11:51 PM, June 14, 2005  

  • Hi, Richard. In response to your question, it's because this is New Albany, and education is optional.

    By Anonymous coffey for mayor, at 8:30 AM, June 15, 2005  

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