Speak Out Loud NA

Sunday, January 01, 2006

Let the Truth Be Known!

Now that really sums it all up!
New Albany Politics is C.R.A.P.


  • Isn't it amazing how their cartoon contradicts the reporting? Our family has laughed all day, and a lot of other people. Hysterical. Glad you got it on here! Thanks.
    Happy New Year, One And All!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:39 AM, January 02, 2006  

  • Laura-- you are terrific in the world of technology to be able to show us the concerns, and now, THE LAUGHTER.

    Bless you, we do appreciate you. The pressure that some people are putting on you because you are trying to show the problems we now have in New Albany
    is terrible.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:31 AM, January 02, 2006  

  • I hope that cartoon was posted with permission of the Tribune.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:24 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • to 1:24 comment: I'ts a freaking public newspaper for gosh sakes! You all will find anything to -itch at. I found it to be hilarious by the way. Have a nice day.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:01 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • While I am flattered found my editorial cartoon in the Tribune worthy of publication on your blog, it is copyrighted material. It is ironic as right next to the cartoon is a warning about copyrighted material on your blog.
    Please, in the future, follow your own advice and get permission from me before publication.
    Thank you.
    Dale Neseman

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:53 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • Dale?-
    Why would you find it necessary to post anonymously yet sign your name?
    Could this be from an imposter?
    I would think an offer of an e-mail address would have come along with such a suggestion to make contact in the future.
    We would certainly avail ourselves of the opportunity.
    Anyway, we would like to extend our hearty thanks for the accurate assessment of our City's political mess.
    We look forward to future communications.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:14 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • Laura--- you are right on target again. I was just thinking that it was a rare coincidence that the author of the Tribune was reading and writing on your blogsite on the day of so many famous football games.

    No offense to you Laura, but, I really don't think that the Tribune cartoonist was reading or writing on your blogsite today. Can you laugh with me?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:33 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • Laura,
    Sorry, I'm not up on my blogging protocol. Didnt realize I was posting anonymously. Wasnt quite sure how to set this comment up.

    My email is dnes255@aol.com should you ever need to get in touch with me.

    Trust me, I dont watch college football.

    By Blogger Dale Neseman, at 5:52 PM, January 02, 2006  


    Rumors are "flying" all over the City.
    Given Councilman Mark Seabrook's announcement he will give up his seat on the City Council.

    Mark's announcement in regards to him stating his run for Floyd County Board of Commissioner. Is the best news for all of us.

    And he will "WIN"...GO MARK!

    A caucas will be held to elect Interim Councilman At Large And it will be "Valla Ann".

    Mark we know you will do the "RIGHT THING" and step down now!

    You know Mark We All Support You in everyway as County Commissioner.

    You are the only one who can even fill Mr. John Reisert's shoes.
    You will make us all proud.

    It's the right thing to do and turn it over to Valla Ann she is the future.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:06 PM, January 02, 2006  


    I hope that you are correct on the news that Mark Seabrook is willing to run for the County Commissioners seat.

    He would be an excellent choice and a
    great person to take on that responsibility for the County.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:57 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • Thank you Dale, for your response.
    Nice to know you're a reader.
    I'm not a football watcher either, except for today (Go Cards!).
    I respect your request, and will contact you in the future.
    Have a Happy New Year!

    By Blogger East Ender, at 8:00 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • Good bye 2005, Hello 2006

    I'm feeling tired and all worn out how about you all?
    Seabrook's decision is good news for us all.
    We need fresh ideas on our Council.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:22 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • Love the political cartoon SOLNA.
    Off to a great start in 2006

    Happy New Year Bloggers

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:57 PM, January 02, 2006  

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    By Anonymous CONCERN TAXPAYER, at 10:11 PM, January 02, 2006  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:55 PM, January 02, 2006  

  • The first Council meeting of the year should be very interesting.
    Not the least of which will be elections of Council President and Vice.
    The sanitation contract is almost comical, if it weren't so sad.
    What a pitiful attempt.
    It's insulting that Council Members were not provided with a copy, but the Mayor's blog boy was.
    Wonder how they are going to feel about that?

    By Blogger East Ender, at 12:31 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • If you are given knowledge, then you should give it back freely; if you come into it on your own, it's ok to charge for it.

    Therefore, it would be a known legal fact that if there is that kind of ambiguous language in the sanitation contract (1 place stating "monthly" and 1 place stating various payments), that would be called a "non-meeting" of the minds, in legal ease maybe NO contract.

    How did Randy know there was a final "edit session"? Were there any other "invited" council members. Some how I feel there may have been. Sure hope Council smells the coffee.

    Does the City of NA have the RIGHT TO SET UP ANOTHER ENTITY THROUGH THIS CONTRACT TO HANDLE SANITATION? Now, there's a question for a GOOD lawyer, no offense downtown. As read on here before, you are getting some BAD LEGAL ADVICE.

    Taxpayers aren't idiots. Please don't treat us as same. Thank you.

    This contract needs an analysis done on it line for LINE...before the next meeting.

    Hang in there NA. No Pollyanna here. Take care. This is how our family feels.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$, at 12:40 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • Gee whiz Ceece, why didn't you let everyone know you have a web log of your own going?
    You're taking comments and everything!
    Interesting reading there girl.
    Might want to watch that language.
    But, it's good to have a better idea of the person we are dealing with who is only trying to learn.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:44 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • i agree East Ender, the pastor should would not like her language. She gives First Christian a bad name... Our feelings on that subject. Has her boss seen that letter? She dos't live dangerously naively, at that. Thanks for pointing out that blog site. Explains a lot.

    By Anonymous ANONYMOUS, at 3:48 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • Laura,

    Love the cartoon. Pretty much sums up NA politics in a nutshell.

    I too agree with Roger and Concern Taxpayer about Mark Seabrook running for Commissioner and Valla Ann for City Council. Excellent decision for both.

    Although I don't know either of these people well, he always seemed sensible and knowledgable. And I have admired Valla Ann since I first heard her speak a year ago.
    She was not afraid to get up there and "tell it like it is".

    Even though I am a Democrat I will gladly vote for both of these talented people.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 8:03 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • Kudos to Mark & Valla Ann. You are both very valuable to New Albany.

    By Anonymous legal beagle, at 8:46 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • laura it has always been linked in my profile.

    Also it's Central Christian, and yes my pastor knows I cuss.

    It is also a New Year's Resolution to cut down on the cussing, i don't want that to be a habit my son picks up from me.

    By Blogger ceece, at 10:30 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • Anon 2:01,

    I sure hope that you are not one of the posters of "fact" and legal opinions here. Have you learned anything about copyrights yet? You were just so positive that you were correct! I also thought the cartoon was funny. Sad too.

    By Blogger Iamhoosier, at 11:55 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • too bad the cartoonist didnt show whats really inside that bag, like speak out loud and all her b.s., dont forget the mayors of main street too

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:09 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • just curious but has anyone bothered to confirm that seabrook is resigning his council seat? I would think he would only resign if he wins the commissioner election and that isnt until november

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:34 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • Laura, Please remove the link to my site off of your links.


    By Blogger ceece, at 2:12 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • i dont blame you ceece i wouldnt want a link from this blog full of wrong information and lunacy

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:20 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • Randy Stumler, currently of the county council, is going to run against seabrook----so don't assume seabrook will win. Just like stumler, neither have to give up their current position to run, therefore the loser will remain where they are.

    By Blogger knighttrain, at 5:55 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • Shirley,
    There will be no vote from the public IF CM Seabrook decides to step down before his term is finished.
    In such an instance, a caucus is held where only Republican Precinct People will choose a replacement.
    I wouldn't hold my breath on "rumors that are flying". We will need to be patient and wait for CM Seabrook to announce his plans.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:15 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • I have it from a reliable Republican source that Seabrook is not resigning his seat. oh wait this is the same blog that said the drainage department is losing their jobs effective yesterday.

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 7:19 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • timmy, who's your reliable source? Your dreams, cause that's how much it means on this blog. Didn't your mommie get you enough toys for christmas to keep you busy for awhile?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:56 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • Can someone please point me to the statement where NA Confidential did "IN FACT" say that Valla Ann was "IN FACT" going to seek the possible vacancy on the city council?

    If he did, I missed it!

    By Blogger Highwayman, at 8:23 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • So, how many people in the sanitation department are out of work today?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:20 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • Garner announced at the Sewer Board today Drainage people were keeping their jobs. Neither Seabrook nor Kochert challenged his statement; because according to the Council, their salaries are to be paid out of "Stormwater Fees", which haven't been assessed yet. Are we starting the year out with new misappropriations right off the bat? Nah, not in NA, right?

    Rumour Mill, Slander Blog, boy, do you have an education coming... Don't let it hurt too badly, we have all "stepped in it". When we find the pile under the rug where everything has been swept to, we will all know because you'd break your neck, literally.

    We were talking the other day how there are some newspapers that pay a bunch of $'s just for "rumours". There are some many flying around today, we could actually start one. We've heard rumours about city credit gasoline cards for the new trucks. Facts that another contract now exists, unlike the one you have seen somewhere else, that has "blog press credentials". Don't those have to be submitted by the 1st of January of each year to the City Clerk? Hmmmm Maybe to Council before their first meeting, hmmmmm. Lets check on that 1.

    Hang in there NA. Wouldn't be surprised at anything now. We are all in it together.

    This political stuff is just that -- distractions and "ground clutter".

    Our thoughts and our feelings and our paperwork...all only our "opinions".... Thanks for letting us say 'em.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$, at 10:21 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • More news...

    Sewer Board meeting was today, as mentioned earlier.

    1. Greg Fifer was retained again as our Sewer Board Attorney.

    2. Greg Fifer "innocently" (my terminology) states he's not sure why Georgetown hasn't paid us yet; maybe it has something to do with them waiting to see if New Albany gets credits. Sorry. Thought we had 3 attorneys suing us for solving the Georgetown episode and thought Georgetown lost their share of the Riverboat Casino monies because they were going to use that to pay us.

    3. Talks about a new "project" involving a force main (Robert E. Lift), a lift station (the Robert E. Lift), and possibly 3 places the lines crosses the road at Eagles Lane. We're still verifying our notes.
    a. New Albany is operating under a 96-97 AGREED ORDER with the State of Indiana in which ALL OF THIS WORK WAS TO BE FIXED.
    b. They now need to buy "flow monitors" for THIS project, because they just know they can get sewer credits for THIS work. They talked about that issue actually being in the CONSENT DECREE, as we have been crying for years now. Daggone.
    c. EMC actually had a conversation about the "modeling" that was performed for our "PLAN" we picked and submitted to the EPA and STATE. We tried to warn the Engineers (God bless 'em) they weren't getting all of the information. We weren't questioning their integrity about studying the modeling; we maintained their data was flawed and faulty. Daggone. Came out one person saying that part of this new project wasn't in the SSES study done in '99 to be included in the "modeling" study; and they were corrected and said "well, it was in the SSES, it was omitted for the modeling study". Sorry guys, don't think they are going to buy that argument, but we'll ALL SEE, WON'T WE?
    Disappointment reigns supreme after $44 million, plus only God knows how much more has been spent.

    Thanks for letting us air our opinions, frustrations, and all. Get ready for that sewer rate hike they've been alluding to for quite some time. They ain't kiddin'.
    Nite, NA.

    By Anonymous NAPottyPoliceMember, at 10:51 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • Hey, don't forget our lites, phones, building and all that jazz. We pay for them. Can anyone tell me what happened here, really and truly? We sure would like to know. Thanks.

    By Anonymous Anon ?'s, at 11:39 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • The sewer bond rate increase of 49% was heavily reliant upon the City's policy decisions which REQUIRED THE USE OF THE CITY'S TAX INCREMENT FINANCING (TIF) revenues and ANNUAL transfers from the ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCOME TAX (EDIT) fund to supplement the project costs and the Utility's annual revenues. ALSO, a substantial payment from the Town of Georgetown was to be used to help fund a portion of the construction costs. A decision was made to cap the bond size at 34.4 million to help mitigate the necessary rate hike.
    And the State of IN states they still hold the City under the Agreed Order, and the City is under it's second amended Consent Decree...
    "SHOW ME THE MONEY" comes to mind. Now, we have proof EDIT monies in the amount of $270,000.00 were to be put aside for the BOND payment and portions of EDIT monies were also to be put into the Appendix D portion of the Consent Decree to fix our inner city. You can not, by law, pledge monies that have already been pledged in another manner (matter), whichever. Looking worse and worse for that hole in the ground.

    By Anonymous $$$$$$$$, at 11:46 PM, January 03, 2006  

  • to anon at 7:56 PM, my source: Donna Wall, now is that a reliable source? You tell me

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 12:15 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • One thing we know for sure is that Randy's version of the contract, posted on his "blog press" (?) is inaccurate in its information.
    Imagine that. Randy put out erroneous information (blunder).
    He must have run out before the Final edit was completed.
    As for the other info posted here regarding the sanitation and sewers, it appears we have a couple of big messes to clean up, and it will be interesting to see what department they will be raiding to pay the drainage folks.
    Boy, the new year is not off to a very good start.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 1:52 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • eastender,

    oooops did Randy make a mistake by giving false information? Questions we need to ask is did Randy fill out the necessary forms to obtain this contract? Why is it certain information is being surpressed by the Mayors office?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:07 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • you have to fill out a FOIA to get the public document all you have to do is ask for it, oh thats right you people dont like to ask for information you like to make yours up

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:10 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • Anonymous 10:20 P.M.,

    Here are some brief points from the report given by Robert Lee at the Board of Works meeting Tuesday morning 01/03/06.

    From the original list of 30 city employees the following is a breakdown of the employment numbers:

    23 - are now employeed by Southern Indiana Waste Systems (S.I.W.S.).
    3 - transferred within the city.
    1 - Undecided.
    3 - Have not been able to be contacted by S.I.W.S.

    For the employees who joined S.I.W.S. -
    Hourly rate stays the same as their pay rate with the city.
    Health Insurance Waiting period and Pre-condition Illness - WAIVED

    Vacation - Senority will count for the number of weeks eligible with S.I.W.S. up to (I believe) 3 weeks a year.

    Senority stays the same. Ex. If you were an 8yr. employee with the City, you now have 8yrs. senority with S.I.W.S.

    Former City Employee Lawrence Jones has been assigned as the Supervisor of the New Albany routs.

    Trucks -

    7 - New Trucks were available starting 01/03/06 including:
    6 - 25yd Rear Loaders
    1 - 12yd Pup Truck

    (Mr. Lee also stated 2 additional trucks have been brought in from other routs to help catch up what was not picked up this past weekend.)

    Operations -
    Basic Mode of Operations -
    Rear Load trucks will pick-up trash / garbage only & go directly to the Landfill.

    Recycling Units will pick up recycling only and go directly to the Recycling Center.

    Mr. Lee also stated S.I.W.S. will pick up one "bulky" item per residence per route, but didn't go into much detail.

    As for now, the route schedule will stay the same. However, as S.I.W.S. fine tunes things, routes may be changed so they can operate more efficiently.

    I hope all of this is posted correctly, I was trying to take notes as fast as I could during the meeting and may not have gotten everything that was said. I'm sure Souther Indiana Waste Systems would be more than happy to answer any of your questions.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 8:35 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • Sorry!


    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 9:12 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • Mr. Laduke,

    Thank you for your information. I am relieved to know that the former city sanitation employees were able to keep their seniority and their health benefits.

    It is good to know that S.W.I.S was cooperative. Many companies are not as considerate.

    By Blogger shirley baird, at 9:54 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • Steve, I am concerned about the new outsource company not picking up "unacceptable waste" which is described as hazardous materials, liquids of any kind, inflammable and/or explosive material, dirt, stones, asphalt gravel broken or whole bricks, concrete, steel, iron and other refuse from repairs, alternations or new construction of buildings and sidewalks, including remodeling debris, hot ashes, large automobile/truck parts and tires, any material prohibited for disposal in landfilll, yard waste.

    The City of New Albany has always picked up an illegal dumptster located in front of the body shop at 347 E 15th St. Certainly, there were hazardous materials, chemicals, iron, automatobile parts in that dumpster.

    My question is, according to the contract with Southern Indiana Waste System, they will NOT pick up "Unacceptable Waste" Will the city continue to pick up this dumpster which contains hazardous waste? Is the city qualified to pick up this hazardous material from this dumpster? I guess my concern is if the body shop can have that kind of hazardous material picked up, everyone should be able to. Thanks for answering my question.

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 10:00 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • oldernewalbanian---------------

    Good question. Is the new company going to continue to pick up the dangerous hazardous waste that the the City of New Albany has been picking up on E.15th Street illegally in the past?

    Why wasn't someone on the Board of Works willing to investigate and stop the collection of hazardous waste on E. 15th Street by the City of New Albany?

    Board of Works---------------
    Tony Toran ??
    Steve LaDuke ??
    Chas Hunter ??

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:16 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • oldernewalbanian,

    All I can tell you is what the contract says. If the contract says they will not pick up "unacceptable waste" then, they will not.

    I know you have alleged there being "unacceptable waste" in the dumpster at this location however the BOW has no proof of this. When this issue was brought up before, we sent inspectors and found nothing. There were also allegations of electrical and fire violations at this business. We called both local / state fire and electrical inspectors who found only minor violations which were corrected. You can check with the Building Commissioners office for a report of these inspections and corrections.

    I am not here saying these issues have not existed in the past but, we have not seen proof of this.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 10:19 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • Where is anything about BUSINESS pickups, Steve? Why are they using our electric, phones, water, sewers, and other equipment? When did the contract get corrected, i.e., section 5.0.

    Council members will tell you THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT FREE OF INFORMATION FORMS to get any kinds of documentation -- at least SOME OF THEM DO, as do other taxpayers. What made DESPERATIONS so special. And does he really have "blog" press credentials? What a fascinating concept. Laura, get to work on that immediately, ok? We need to check the Clerk's office and see this so called "blog" press credentials; it would explain soooooo much.
    Thanks. Our opinions and questions. And many more...

    By Anonymous IT'S OUR MONEY AND OUR PROPERTY, at 11:41 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • Hi Steve, thanks for taking the time to comment on my post.

    I think Greg Roberts of ESNA, brought pictures to BPW with paint, paint cans, glass, and a grill from a vehicle, along with other unacceptable trash in that dumpster. Steve, what would you suppose would be in the dumpster of a body shop? Refuse from a body shop of course, i.e. paint, paint thiner, stripper, and other hazardous material. I have pictures if you would like a copy, I would be more than willing to send you a copy of them to you if you give me an address. Who picked up this dumpster --- the City of New Albany, of course. I say the City of New Albany is not authorized to pick up hazardous material and this should be handled by a specialized company. Correct me if I am wrong. Also, why were the sanitation workers "tipped" every week to pick up that dumpster? Don't tell me that is not true, as I have pictures of that also.

    As for the violations, the State fire marshall inspected the building, and that report is on file in the building commissioner's office and there were many violations. As for when the city fire department and/or the city building commissioner inspected that building, I have no knowledge of that. Oh, what inspectors were sent, Donnie Blevins who is a buddy of the fellow at the Body Shop.

    If the City Fire Department inspected that building, why did they not ask how the building was heated? Did they not see the extension cords outside lying in water? Something does not sound right for this building to have been inspected by both the fire department and the city building commissioner and they found no violations. You and I both know, they could find violations in a new structure if they want to. This is a very neglected building that is approximately 70 years old.

    Oh well, what can you can say, maybe it is who you know.

    But, back to the dumpster saga. If the oursource company will not take pick up "unacceptable trash" why would the City of New Albany?

    I will be anxious to hear your response.

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 12:22 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • It's our money and our property,

    I believe the reference to "BUSINESS" Pick-up is actually in the Ordinance NOT the Contract. S.I.W.S. is not contracted to pick up anything other than residential sanitation so, it goes without saying that it would not be covered under the contract. I don't have an answer to the contract revision.


    I would expect refuse from a Body Shop to be found in a dumpster of a Body Shop unless the Body Shop has other means of disposing of the material.

    I believe paint cans can be disposed of if they are properly prepared before tossing but, I am not an expert in disposal of this type of product.

    You mention you have no knowledge of the inspections performed on this building. Contact Paul Roberts in the Building commissioners office. He will be more than happy to provide information on this subject. When I spoke to him this morning, he mentioned others have called and received this information. Donnie Blevins was not sent to this building to inspect anything as far as I know, I speak only of the electrical and fire inspections. Like I said before, local and state inspectors have inspected this building and minor violations were found and corrected. You make reference that I said NO VIOLATIONS were found. If you go back and read my post you will see, once again, I said minor violations were found and corrected.

    I will not speculate any further as to what may or may not be in the dumpster or why a Sanitation Worker may have been tipped. Like explained before, this sounds more and more like a criminal investigation and should be followed up by the Prosecuters Office.

    One other minor little point.

    I had lunch with Councilman Seabrook today, he informed me that he is not planning on stepping down from his Council seat nor has he talked to Donna Wall in months. I feel my source (Counciman Seabrook) is a fairly reliable source in this matter.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 1:29 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • As a reporter for a local media station said to me yesterday "06 ought to be an interesting year, to say the least". We agree with their opinions.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:47 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • There are still so many bloopers in this sanitation contract, that I'm having trouble believing it will actually sail past the Council.
    I don't know who drafted it, but some of the language is very ambiguous, and some is outright wrong!
    Another wrong turn seems to have been taken by lil' Timmy when he professed to have talked with Donna Wall in regards to Seabrook.
    When will you ever learn to stop lying just to try to make yourself look knowledgable?
    S. LaDuke-
    Thanks for taking the time to addresssome of the questions we have had. But, we haven't even scratched the surface yet.
    What about the trucks and cans that New Albany owns/is buying?
    EDIT dollars were pledged to these as well as to the sewer repairs, and now to Scribner,
    I didn't think you could utilize funds that were already appropriated to other areas.
    So which is it?
    How much EDIT money do we have?
    I just bet 'ya it's not enough to cover all three obligations.
    Scribner is looking less and less viable, all things considered.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 4:07 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • can someone lead me in the right direction of finding out exactly what EDIT funds are? I have seen them mentioned a few times, but I don't think I have rooted out a clear definition.

    Thanks in advance!

    By Blogger ceece, at 4:32 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • East Ender,

    I am more than happy to provide the information that I know. I think I have made it known that I will never speculate about anything. I hope everyone understands and respects this.

    As far as the Councilman Seabrook issue. In no way was I trying to say what Tim posted earlier was wrong. His source may have heard it from another source who had a friend and so on. I like to go directly to the source.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 4:35 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • Steve, but of course, you are correct. I realize it is not wise to speculate about anything, but can you speculate how difficult it could be to live next to a business that appeared to have no rules.

    You are correct, it certainly should have been a criminal investigation; however, I did not get any further with the prosecutor's office than I did with BPW. Surely, Steve you don't think I am that talented that I could make up all that stuff with pictures to boot. In case you have not heard, everything I had is gone. Who cares -- so what - life goes on, but 10 boys against 1 girl never was fair. Enough said, nothing is going to change, but thanks for your response.

    By Blogger oldernewalbanian, at 5:20 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • ceece, you have a real knack of butting in to cleverly change the subject. Surely you can figure out what EDIT funds are or maybe your other buddies might know.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:57 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • Now, now, folks, no need to get testy. I think Ceece has a valid question. She IS trying to learn the ropes.
    EDIT stands for Economic Development Income Tax.
    It is a special taxation that provides funds to improve the economic viability of the City.
    The Council passed a resolution during the Overton admin. to pay for the trucks/cans out of EDIT funds and Riverboat funds (we get a small percentage for being the pass-thru City).
    However, somewhere in '98-2000 (I'll have to check for exact dates) the EPA and the City entered into an agreement whereby EDIT and Riverboat funds were to be used to pay for the repairs and bond payments of the sewers.
    Very confusing.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:23 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • Correction -
    The sewer agreement was to include TIF and EDIT funds. Riverboat was not included in the sewer deal with the EPA.
    TIF is Tax Incremental Financing.
    Ceece- if you look at your paychecks, you should see where extra taxes are taken out for the EDIT fund.
    Also, be prepared for the unfair Stormwater fee to hit your water bill any time now.
    This is "selective" taxation, as only properties with water bills will be paying it. Owners of empty properties, or empty land lots will be excluded from this fee.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:35 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • east ender,
    Sure would like to know who the partners are in this "newly" formed company Eco-Tech, as well as the silent partners. May shed a little light on why it is now outsourced, maybe? Just an opinion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:16 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • I've already received my check. Maybe yours is just lost in the mail.

    By Blogger bluegill, at 7:45 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • thanks laura

    By Blogger ceece, at 7:48 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • Lets all say thanks for the great start the new sanitation arrangement is turning out to be, looks like the mayor made the right call, so what you got to say about that?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:00 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • next screwup....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:14 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • oh thats easy, the speak out loud crowd thinking they are changing NA for the better, oh and when gahan is coucil president again remember you only have 5 minutes to be total jackasses and if you dont sign up to speak you cant ask to rant after the public comment part is over,


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:21 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • Anonymous 7:16PM-
    To me, the question of the partners identities is crucial.
    We have a right to know, especially since Garner gave the contract to a Company that then created another company to hand it off to. Who's getting a cut?
    All sounds a bit too entangled for me. If everything was on the up & up, why did Bob Lee decline to say who they are when asked by the Courier?

    anonymous 8:00PM-
    You've GOT to be kidding!?
    This thing stinks right from the get-go. The contract is a mess, and the secrecy of the new company partners is troublesome.
    Furthermore, putting the contract out to a private citizen before Council members got it just goes to show, again, the lack of communication and lack of professionalism that exists under Garner's reign.
    As for the "arrangements" of allowing the new company to utilize our facilities and our utilities, and I would guess, our receptionist, is not something I would consider a good deal.
    STILL, haven't seen this guy make a good decision yet.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 8:40 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • If you'd just learn to keep your mouth shut, you could be new car shopping like me. I think the contract is swell.

    By Blogger bluegill, at 8:53 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • OK, you obviously are just dying to tell folks you got some money today.
    Although we don't have a clue what you're talking about, please take this opportunity to tell everyone about your apparent new found wealth.
    Are you a "partner" with the new Southern Indiana Waste Systems?
    Just call us "curious".

    By Anonymous Curious, at 10:14 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • Well, I'd rather not call you "curious" when "another cowardly anonymous poster" sounds so much better.

    Hey, wait -- maybe Guido Mattingly isn't a partner in the new garbage venture, and that's the explanation for stalking the corridors of lost power with heartburn.

    Or maybe it's just CT misinterpreting things I write.

    Back to the world that lies outside the SOLNA cave ...

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 10:41 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • Oh, now roger, inquiring minds want to know!
    And why are you answering q's meant for bluegill (aka; Gillenwater)?
    What do you know about it?
    Did you get one too?
    A check that is.
    I'm curious too.
    After all, he grought it up.
    Then, he did it again!
    Whadda we know, 'eh?

    By Anonymous citizenspeak, at 11:20 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • I know nothing beyond your cowardice, c-speak.

    Anyway, I'm in too fine of a mood to let the nay-sayers get me down. Read it - you know where.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 11:49 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • You're right. He did gring it up.

    Based on the evidence, it's my opinion that Laura is trying to deflect attention from her own pecuniary interest in the new contract. If, of course, I'm still entitled to have an opinion.


    What's Anna's family reading nowadays, by the way.

    By Anonymous CityCountyBuilding Insider, at 11:50 PM, January 04, 2006  

  • Nah, not me.
    I'm just wondering if there is some sort of specific order by which things are supposed to be done.
    Guess it was easy enough to find.
    This must be it -- on page 14 of the Public Access Handbook:
    It is : IC 5-14-1.5-5 (b) (2)
    IC 5-14-1.5-5
    Public notice of meetings
    Sec. 5. (a) Public notice of the date, time, and place of any meetings, executive sessions, or of any rescheduled or reconvened meeting, shall be given at least forty-eight (48) hours (excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays) before the meeting. This requirement does not apply to reconvened meetings (not including executive sessions) where announcement of the date, time, and place of the reconvened meeting is made at the original meeting and recorded in the memoranda and minutes thereof, and there is no change in the agenda.
    (b) Public notice shall be given by the governing body of a public agency by:
    (1) posting a copy of the notice at the principal office of the public agency holding the meeting or, if no such office exists, at the building where the meeting is to be held; and
    (2) delivering notice to all news media which deliver by January 1 an annual written request for such notices for the next succeeding calendar year to the governing body of the public agency. The governing body shall give notice by one (1) of the following methods:
    (A) Depositing the notice in the United States mail with postage prepaid.
    (B) Transmitting the notice by electronic mail.
    (C) Transmitting the notice by facsimile (fax).
    If a governing body comes into existence after January 1, it shall comply with this subdivision upon receipt of a written request for notice.
    In addition, a state agency (as defined in IC 4-13-1-1) shall provide electronic access to the notice through the computer gateway administered by the office of technology established by IC 4-13.1-2-1.
    (c) Notice of regular meetings need be given only once each year, except that an additional notice shall be given where the date, time, or place of a regular meeting or meetings is changed. This subsection does not apply to executive sessions.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 12:03 AM, January 05, 2006  

  • A Blogger Press Pass...okay. Laura, I'd ask what else they can possibly create which they feel gives them entitlements even our elected officials can't get.

    It just wouldn't be so bad if my Council person didn't have to fill out open records forms to get any kind of information. And, I am of the opinion the Council SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FILL OUT ANY KIND OF OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS. Pretty sure that law reads only the public, but, "they", whoever this regressive bunch is, feel they don't have to follow laws.
    It twas nice that VH volunteered the information about how he got that contract before our elected officials who have to vote on that $1.00 increase for the next five or six years, hey? Our opinions lie with the "FORUM".
    After reading how the Mayoral speech was wrote and the grammer, misspellings, and the lapses in thought processing -- unless ya really don't know how to end one sentence before you start another, you might want to leave some of the people on here alone about their "English education". Somebody else is flunking that subject, too, downtown. Surprised you boys ain't caught it -- or are you TOOOOOO embarrassed?
    Just a thought, our opinions.

    By Anonymous A Blog Press Pass, HAH, HAH, at 10:04 AM, January 05, 2006  

  • Anonymous said...
    As a reporter for a local media station said to me yesterday "06 ought to be an interesting year, to say the least". We agree with their opinions.

    1:47 PM, January 04, 2006

    In my opinion, there has never been a more true statement than "06 ought to be an interesting year". The New Albany Political scene is going to heat up and... It's gonna start next week!

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 10:28 AM, January 05, 2006  

  • Steve, Laura has asked and asked this not be used as a "political" blog. Would you please save YOUR political musings for the Council meeting -- which we assume you are talking about,
    Or take them to the Repubican headquarters; because we know you aren't a Democrat or I'd suggest Redmans.
    Let's stick to the issues, especially about this sanitation contract and how a person from the public got this info before Council saw or voted. Let's stick to the issues about the EDIT monies...I know I'm not interested in your politics.
    In case you do not know, elections for the City aren't for two more years.
    Thanks for your consideration.

    By Anonymous TIRED, TIRED, TIRED, at 11:03 AM, January 05, 2006  

  • Steve,

    The reporter was talking about ALL OF THE ISSUES facing NA this next year, not politics. FYI.

    By Anonymous The Anon poster:, at 11:21 AM, January 05, 2006  

  • This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:44 AM, January 05, 2006  

  • I agree with anon 11:21AM.
    Instead of worrying about politics, people need to worry about sewer hikes, the EPA, EDIT money, TIF funds, Stormwater fees (???), Scribner Place (ground zero), and this friggin sanitation contract!!! Just to name a few.
    What the....are you thinking?
    The person with the best answers wins! In other words, politics will take care of itself out of pure survival instincts.
    Right now, we need to worry about issues that are facing us fiscally, ethically, and in terms of pure quality of life terms.
    What are we, and who are we, as a City, and as a community?
    We have a lot of questions that need quality answers.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:29 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • I am well aware of the political schedule in this city and I was NOT referring to the Council Election this coming Monday.

    I was only agreeing that the local scene ought to be very interesting in the next year. I was not trying to support any political party or candidate with my statement. I was only stating a fac t about an up-coming event.

    Sorry if it was taken wrong!

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 2:34 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Reading the "Forum" and reading the postings today provokes thoughts of "damage control" activity here behind the scenes.

    Are we right?

    No offense or misunderstanding taken.

    Our musings, wonderings, rumours, opinions, etc.

    Thank you.

    By Anonymous Questions, Questions, at 2:40 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Might want to clean up New Albany real quick. President Bush coming next Wednesday. Just read it on Diggin in the Dirt.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:10 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • OK, riddle me this...
    Of course, it's just a "rumor".
    Does the Mayor even read the blogs?
    But, we are thinking the need for "Damage Control" could only be related to the 'selective', or maybe the 'creative' enforcement, of codes, ordinances, rules, regulations, mandates, order, or ethics, along with the blatant Political Favortism, may just constitute a huge percentage of the questions that need answers.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 3:34 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Dubya? On a Wednesday? Cool, that's my day off, and frees me to picket ... unless, of course, he's bringing federal aid bucks with him, in which case I'll remain respectfully silent.

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 3:39 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • BAM!!!
    Bought and Sold to the first bidder!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:39 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Well, my earlier post was concerning the visit by President Bush scheduled for next Wednesday.

    However, I just received work that the Presidential visit has now been canceled. Looks like he will now be holding a forum in Louisville instead.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 3:41 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Rumor has it, he's been warned.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:43 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Steve, was any of this related to a Sodrel fundraiser of some sort?

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 3:53 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • As I understand it, it was not a fundraiser for Congressman Sodrel. It was going to be a forum concerning Homeland Security.
    But, I was not really in on those details. As a matter of fact, the location in New Albany was only announced this morning so, as you can see this has all happened VERY quickly.

    It looks like it will be the same type of forum only now held somewhere in Louisville. I do not have any details nor do I know this for sure.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 4:22 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Let us know asap so we can organize the protest

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:04 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Boy, that communication (lack of) thing just keeps popping up doesn't it?
    I doubt he ever really intended to show up in New Albany. This community is currently barely on the radar.
    Just a few more screw-ups, and we will be belly up.
    Yeah, it's gonna be a year alright.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 5:16 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • East Ender,

    I can tell you he intended enough to have Secret Service here on and off the past 2-1/2 weeks planning the visit.

    As far as the communication thing goes, it was to be kept absolutely secret until everything was okay'ed. Word started to leak out around 12:00 today and then started to really spread.

    Around 3:00 today the call went out concerning the change of plans.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 5:44 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • How much we paying you Steve today for your musings and thoughts, or did you take the day off? It's still deflecting the issues WE, the citizens of NA, NEED answered.

    Wish ya could help. Instead, I see the pendulum swinging the other way, especially if you are sitting downtown writing all these things, about whatever...

    Damage control, come in... NA to Damage control, come in.... SPEAK OUT LOUDER, NA. Our day is coming and someone will listen, and answer our questions.

    By Anonymous Anonymous Opinions, at 6:03 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • It's called changing your mind in mid-term about your promises or trying to change horses in mid-stream. Think he'll fall off? Thinking out loud here, hee hee.

    By Anonymous LoveAnon, at 6:12 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Hey Steve,
    The Devil's in the details, don't 'cha know.
    Must be a slow day at the office. Thanks for sharing the info re:George W.
    I'm sure the security thing was tight for the President.
    Just curious, are you on City time today? Or, are you lounging with your Laptop?
    Special thanks to J. Roddenbush as well, for bringing us the info and commentary on The Garner Administration's mid-term address and the saitation contract.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:50 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Don't you love it, Steve?

    They want answers, and so you try to help them.

    Afterwards, they want to know whose time clock you were on while doing it.

    Like John Lennon said, and he might as well have specified the denizens of SOLNA: "One thing you can't hide -- is when you're crippled inside."

    By Blogger The New Albanian, at 7:52 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • and to add to Sir John Lennon with a little twist, "imagine there's no speakoutloud, it isnt hard to do. Nothing to spread false rumors about and no religion too."

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 8:47 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Did anyone ever think, Pres Bush may have been planning to come to New Albany to see what a modern day ghost towns looks like, or perhaps to see one of the biggest junk yards or dumps in the USA. So sorry, he could not make it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:58 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • and of course it's President Bush's policies that are killing off our small towns, but hey he's making sure we win that war on terrorism and destroying the environment so we can continue to keep that oil flowing

    By Blogger Tim Deatrick, at 9:09 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Well, here's your answer.

    You didn't pay me anything today.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 9:51 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Sorry, I forgot to mention it wasn't because I took the day off either.

    Steve LaDuke

    By Blogger S. LaDuke, at 9:58 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • The "REGRESSIVES", ugghh. Truly a shame, with "Sir John Lennon" being truly a man of Peace and Love.

    Laura, I like the word "inducement" actually being in this sanitation contract.

    This may be the very issue that brings this Council together and unite against what is soooo blatantly obvious to some of us, here in NA.

    The January 9th meeting will hopefully will go something like this "Council 1 - Garner 0". The family's thoughts and opinions.

    By Anonymous Roger, ..., ..., ..., ..., ..., ...,, at 10:46 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Don't you folks ever work?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:29 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • Steve obviously doesn't, though I swear he's employed by you and me.

    I like his response where "I didn't pay him today". Cute -- how about in a couple of weeks, if the monies are budgeted? You aren't one of those eight people that are going to be paid out of storm water fees, are you? Nah, you probably come out of the BOW's salary and somewhere else.

    Council gets their budget in, we can all find out who works where and who is left, right? Budgets are now in place for all departments for '06, right?

    How about the sewer department? We better not go there.

    Take care. Our opinions, thoughts, warm wishes, bad fuzzies, questions galore that have gone unanswered for years, frustration at its max as a taxpayer, need we say more?

    By Anonymous TiredOfPayingForNothing, at 11:40 PM, January 05, 2006  

  • To Anon at 11:29 PM, we work our buts off trying to "follow the monies" downtown. What do you do... Maybe we have retired, and you're jealous, or maybe we are still hitting the nail on the head. Which is it that aggravates you people might be on their computer at 11:30 PM at night. Big brother wanna tell us the rules on that one too? Go tell it on the mountain, and more obviously, don't visit. Just our thoughts &&&&& opinions. Be sure and have a goood night!

    By Anonymous DO YOU?, at 2:09 AM, January 06, 2006  

  • Show me the MONEY!
    Can we make that a question?
    Somebody better be getting some answers to a lot of questions, and show us something that makes sense, before they even think about slapping more fees/taxes on me and my family, and the other citizens of New Albany.
    Everyone, call your CM before Monday evening, and make them understand, they still work for US the last time we checked.
    There's a whole lot of folks working for us that we don't know the details on, or know what fund they are being paid out of.
    Time to pull all our lines out of the water, and assess our haul. We can't afford to pay a fishing liscense fee for every pole we put in the water.
    I'm sure there would have been a great view if the Prez had actually swung thru town. Especially if you're a Republican.
    I'm sure the Feds check out every area within a 10-20 mile radius, or so, of where GWB is going to be at any time, for any reason.
    Thanks for the info, and pardon us for stepping on toes.
    It's just that we have these problems...seems to be the City has no money anywhere except for picking the pockets of the public.
    I like to know when I'm being "billed".

    By Blogger East Ender, at 2:31 AM, January 06, 2006  

  • FYI-
    Comments from Steve LaDuke on Jan. 5th, 2006 = 8.
    Comments from Steve LaDuke in the last 8 months of this blog = 2(?)
    Looks like you guys got their attention now.
    But, of course, Steve LaDuke is no part of the city administration. He has his own business to run.
    Then again, so does Randy Smith of Desperations...er, Destinations.
    I think Randy might be under some illusion that he has become an official news source via his web log.
    More like the Mayor's bull-sh*t blog. Spin that log,... uh, blog.
    Just an interesting note we thought, and of course, only our humble speculations.
    Us pore liddle dum folk juz dunno.

    By Anonymous Not Made of Money, at 5:16 AM, January 06, 2006  

  • monday, gahan elected council president, sanitation contract with $1.00 increase approved, little people storm out like the losers you are, welcome to 2006

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:50 PM, January 06, 2006  

  • Think Again.
    There are no winners if the Mayor's decisions go unchallanged.
    Therefore, we will all be losers should your prediction come to pass.
    However, I have my doubts that you are correct in your assessment of the future meeting.
    But, that's just 'rumor'.

    By Blogger East Ender, at 6:27 PM, January 06, 2006  

  • New name for the little people--C.R.A.P.
    Citizens Representing Anonymous Perspectives

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:25 AM, January 07, 2006  

  • No vote on sanitation. That will be saved for Election year. Just the election of officers and one other item...should be short and sweet. Why don't you check one out?
    Did it take the regressives that long to come back with something so ignorant. Truly regressive.

    By Anonymous Taxpayer, at 1:56 PM, January 07, 2006  

  • "baby kong baylorites" is OUT on the loose!
    Get a life....Make up your own C.R.A.P.!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:44 PM, January 07, 2006  

  • Att: ANONYMOUS-- 2:50 pm JAN 6, 2006

    I think if you check the rules and regulations, the new SANITATION Contract is the MAYOR'S and the BOARD OF WORKS baby.

    BOARD OF WORKS..........


    To my knowledge, the approval of that contract has not appeared on any City Council agendas for approval.

    Let us watch and see if that contract comes up on the City Council agenda for approval.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:38 PM, January 07, 2006  

  • Back to the sewer issues... What really burns me up when I think of all the financial problems we are having now is that if the BIG O had kept her "know-nothing" nose out of the situation 3 months prior to her being sworn in as mayor we would have only paid $17M for the the sewer project, not $44M, and we would have had plenty of discretionary money for the repair of secondary lines. Also, if she was set on the $44M repair, she should have had the balls to do the RIGHT thing and raised the rate initially to its appropriate amount for a $44M bond, which would have been closer to 65% rather than 49%, and maybe we wouldn't have lost our sanitation department. However, she asked the bond attorneys to keep the increase under 50% and they did just that. Now we're really paying for it in more ways than one. And she had the nerve to say she was the best thing that ever happened to New Albany. Please give me a brake. All she did was dig our grave a little deeper.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:55 AM, January 09, 2006  

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